Talk:Clarence S. Campbell Bowl

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I'd like to see someone write about the supposed 'curse' of lifting up the bowl? I don't really remember exactly what happened to spur that one. Did have something with Trevor Linden lifting it up and dropping the lid? Or did he lift it up in spite of the 'curse'. Marcus1060 07:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

As a Red Wing fan, I'm pretty I've seen Steve Yzerman lift the bowl up when the Wings have won the conference title. The Prince of Wales Trophy seems to be more consistently shunned. 69.137.220.179 03:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Depends on the year. You bring up the example of Mr. Yzerman; in 1995 he made quite a demonstration of winning the Campbell Bowl and was criticized when the team was swept by NJ; in 1998 he skated off the ice basically holding the trophy with one arm at his side as though he planned on throwing it in a trash receptacle in the locker room; in 2002, he raised it above his head and celebrated in a reserved but noticeable fashion. I'm not sure that there's any generalizable comment to be made about any kind of "jinx," and it's funny you mention an interesting case study of one man who exhibited the entire spectrum of reactions to the trophy.

[edit] Shift in Criteria

This might demand a separate article about the Campbell/Western Conference, but I would like to see the list of teams that would have won the trophy had the criteria not been changed (or, alternatively, if the present criteria had been in effect all along).

As for the current reorganization of the chart, I think it was better when we grouped the two regular season champion lists into one, and the two playoff champion lists into one. It took me quite a while before I actually understood the boilerplate convoluted chronology of the trophy's meaning at the NHL website. Once I realized that the Campbell Conference was the successor to the Western Division, and that the Western Conference was the successor to the Campbell Conference, I realized the only thing that had really changed was the trophy switched from a regular season award to a postseason award, and that for the duration of its entire history it's been awarded to a team from the "same" institution, an institution that has gone through 3 names (Western Division, Campbell Conference, Western Conference). So I liked it better when the chart suggested that when it put "Western Division/Campbell Conference" and "Campbell/Western Conference."

For your information, we already have seperate articles on each conference and division. Please see Category:Historical National Hockey League Divisions for a list of them. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I am aware of this, but it seems (to me) like an unnecessary cross-reference to make a person go through. I am reasonably knowledgable on how the NHL operates and like I say, when I first was exposed to the NHL's description of the history of the Campbell Bowl (and the PoW Trophy) I was a bit befuddled before I realized there weren't quite as many jumps as it sounded, since a lot of the "changes" were just name changes and not substantive shifts in the criteria.