Talk:Clan MacTavish
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[edit] Speedy Deletion Discussion
I do not under the deletion problem. This my first time to enter information into Wikipedia. The information has been given information as to the sources. This information refers to the origination of an ancient Clan and how it came about. The connected names are on the official web site, which is authorized by the Chief. The web site link is given. What are you looking for that decides whether the history of a Clan is important or not? I'd like to leave this information here, but I do need some help. Thank you. Patricia Adams, Clan MacTavish Genealogist (e-mail address removed)
- Deletion is not a problem here. We have a group of volunteers who look at new pages for vandalism, personal attacks, stubs (like "Jimmy is the cutest guy") and so forth, and mark them for deletion. Sometimes a good article that is just getting off the ground gets tagged, and usually the tag gets cleared as a mistake, as it was here. You should look at some other clan articles and read Your first article to get some help with formatting. Also, there is a list of clans at Scottish clans that includes MacTavish; you should link that list to this article. Good luck and have fun. Thatcher131 (talk) 21:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hello, I am the editor who proposed this page for speedy deletion. At the time it was created, it read as if the author was the current chief of the Clan and was writing the article in order to promote their website and simply read about themselves on Wikipedia (also known in WP terms as "Vanity" and "Non-notability"). Since your account was very new to Wikipedia, this was your first created article and edit/contribution on Wikipedia, the only source was the commercial website, and initially the "new chief" section was the most prominent topic within the article as opposed to the current state of the article, all of these things led me to question the sincerity, neutrality, and notability of the topic. Thatcher131 is more versed on the topic of Scottish clans than I will probably ever be and rightfully deleted the deletion review (In the future, if you disagree with a review, use the "hangon" template under the "db" template. This will allow administrators to know that you feel justified in your article's importance to Wikipedia and they can also delete the "db" without hoping someone like Thatcher131 will come along). These procedures allow us to keep Wikipedia free of bad articles and very infrequently will a good article be deleted because these procedures are in place. Good luck continuing to establish the article and any others that you edit in the future. ju66l3r 15:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hello - Thank you for your help. I do understand your concern. With this Clan being dormant for over 200 years, information is many times difficult to find. Some of the people of our connected names are not even aware that they may have heritage in this area. I also appreciate your keeping out attacks, slander, etc. I think we have it better formed now and I will be working on it at random times, checking to see also what other may have added. Your help is appreciated. Patricia Adams
[edit] Copyrighted FAQ
I needed to remove the FAQ until I know you understand and acknowledge the implications of the wikipedia content license, the Gnu Free Documentation License or GFDL. Essentially, it means that anything you write here may be altered by anyone else as long as the history of changes is kept and attributed to whoever made them. Anything you put here can also be taken out and used by any other site that respects and follows the GFDL. For one thing, that means you can't have anything labeled with a contradictory copyright tag, as you did. Second, it means you have no more control over the material once posted than any other editor here (e.g. you have no special rights or privileges just because you wrote it originally). If you understand the implications of the GFDL and agree to have your content licensed that way, you can put the FAQ back without the copyright notices.
A second issue is that the FAQ may not be considered appropriately "encyclopedic" by other editors. It might be neccessary to emend and rewrite it so that the essentials are there but in a more encyclpedic tone and style. However, that is something that will occur over time as the article develops. I just wanted to give you a heads up since I was on the subject of the FAQ anyway. Cheers. Thatcher131 (talk) 22:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hello - Thank you for the help. I understand what you are talking about here. The FAQs are on the official Clan website and probably should be left placed just there. We would not want that edited by someone else as they are specific to the Clan. I appreciate you help and what you do here. I will be working on this site and attempting to improve the readability. Patricia Adams
- I'm glad I was able to help. If you want the FAQ to be officially approved by the clan, you should definitely not post it here. (You can link to it in the external links section of course.) Have fun editing. Thatcher131 (talk) 16:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Historical Inaccuracies
[edit] Jacobite Army/Highland Army
First of all it should be reffered to as the Jacobite Army. The 'Highland Army' is incorrect, firstly the majority of 'Highland' clans actually took the side of the government although they may not have all fought in a major battle. Also the Jacobite Army which was mostly made from Highlanders did include many Lowlanders too.
[edit] Campbell Argyll
Much of this article seems to be someone having a personal dig at Clan Campbell for taking the side of the British government. Well I could make a massive list of Highland clans who sided with their government. In fact this article seems to have more about the Clan Campbell than the Clan MacTavish. mjgm84 19:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
