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[edit] Garbage disposal

Er, it was pretty obvious she felt pain in the garbage disposal scene. -VJ 03:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Breaking neck

Would a broken neck (turned 180 degrees) be considering instantaneous death? Because she survived that.--68.90.60.104 02:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Highly probable. Twisting a normal human's neck too far—especially like that—is an unrare method of killing. I'll make a note in the article. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Wait, wait... do we really want to categorize Claire as Superhero? --DJ Chair 18:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you really ready to copy and paste your comments to talk pages? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Powers

For Claire to maintain such an intense metabolism/healing ability, her body would require a vast store of energy, as generating new cells would deprive the body of nutrients, water, protein, and carbohydrates. So, Claire would need to either consume a massive amount of food (which we haven't witnessed) or unconsciously be tapping into an unknown energy source (let's call it dark energy, until more is learned.)

Now, I know I don't have any references for these presuppositions... I've read a book (which I now own, it's that good) on the topic of explaining the science behind the X-Men, if I can remember/find the book title I'll happily return and update this section. --DJ Chair 12:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Take it to healing factor. This is not the place for your poorly researched, half-assed pseudo-science and it never will be. ...and you call me a "spaz"? Hmph. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 15:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Take what to healing factor? Take this discussion of Clair's power there? Why?
Your assertions and such, yes. Don't C/P my end. (Unless you wanna look bad.)
This is the character article. Claire isn't the only character with a healing factor. Trying to add all this stuff here is inappropriate. It looks like original research into how the superpower works. And, whether or not it really is, this isn't the healing factor article. So, if you're going to do something discourageable like this, at least do it at the source. If you're successful, you might be able to apply your notions to this article. I must warn you, though, you'll need to cite the book you're reading. Statement for statement, probably. No embelishments or round about assertions. If the book doesn't say what you want to say, you're probably not going to be able to make the desired statement(s). Anyway, like I kept trying to tell you, what you'e saying is about the superpower, not Claire specifically. It doesn't belong here (at the moment). Good luck. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 23:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, that's fair. I'll try to find the book tonight to make the citations. And, I'd be happy to make them on the proper article. --DJ Chair 01:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Examination table?

Where did the technician go after removing the stick from her brain-stem? It seemed like she revived quickly... and yet no one was there. Also, since when do they perform autopsies when the cadaver is still clothed? --DJ Chair 13:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was meant to imply that removing the stick allowed her to revive. The fact that the tech wasn't there, and the morgue lights were off by the time she came back to her senses, implies that some time passed before she finally revived again.
She wasn't clothed. She had some sort of blanket over her that served to cover her from the American public, but it wasn't clothing. --dws90 13:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Really? Oh... I thought for some reason she was still wearing her cheerleader outfit, because her chest and abdomen were visible and had been cut open to allow the morgue technician access to her internal parts to see what the cause of death was. --DJ Chair 13:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
(oddly almost no one was notified about her "death") that line in the article is incorrect. It's because she was identified as a "Jane Doe" by the coroner.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.143.44.33 (talk • contribs) 23:45, October 20, 2006 (UTC)
Ah. Yes. Thanks for noticing that. It's been corrected. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
During the autopsy the coroner notes that the body was found naked and dragged, as if someone attempted to hide her. This implies the quarterback tried to hide the body, and since he undressed her it could be assumed he continued to raped her ... even though she was dead. Or perhaps he took off the outfit to make it harder for her to be identified. Perhaps we could just add in that she was found naked and leave the why's to the reader/watcher. --Penguinwithin 02:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
The technician left to answer the telephone. Noclevername 16:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity - Are there any coroners in the house? Because I'm pretty sure that Y-shaped incision autopsy is typically only done when the cause of death is something less obvious than "tree-branch through base of skull", not something they do every time. A blood sample to test for toxins and a scan of the teeth to determine identity through dental records (or possibly a finger-printing) is probably about the only thing they'd need to do in that case. A full-body autopsy is a lot of work to do if you don't really have to... --Lurlock 01:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from Talk:Heroes (TV series)

[edit] Save the cheerleader. Save the world.

In case you haven't seen it, the new Heroes commercial says that if you "Save the cheerleader, (you) save the world". I guess that Clarie is important. dposse 01:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, add character-specific comments to character talk pages, as stated by Argash. Second, this is not a forum to discuss things such as TV commercials. Third, I faill to see the encyclopedic relevance of this new ad, I have removed your addition from the article. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
How can you not see the relevance? They are giving us a hint to the main plot! Would you mind having a little faith in my edits, instead of assuming that i want to use this page as a forum? I created this discussion topic because, according to the commerical, Clarie is important enough that she will be a key to save the world. I'm sorry that i didn't put an obvious question in my post, i thought wikipedians were smart enough to not need one. and for the love of god, do not take that as a personal insult. thank you. dposse 17:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't take offense and I'm not as uppity as some Wikipedians, believe me. While I can see that the commercial was trying to impart the character's importance, it doesn't really give up something to write in an encyclopedia. I'd recommend waiting until the meaning has been made clear. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, i'm glad that there are some people on wikipedia that aren't complete jerks. Anyway, yeah, i guess that makes sense. dposse 00:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name Background Color?

I noticed that Claire's info box was changed to Pink does anyone know why she is listed as a different color as the other characters? --DJ Chair 13:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

just change it back, please. dposse 13:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
And don't be snippy, D-Pose. Fine. I'll change it.—The preceding comment was added by Ace Class Shadow as of 17:11, October 23, 2006 (UTC)
snippy? what the hell are you talking about? i was being polite. dposse 18:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, so I changed it like four hours ago. No feuding --DJ Chair 19:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
It's like "Shut up, please". It's snarky phrase, ended with niceity. "Just change it"? Feh. I understand that Box colors straying from one uniform code isn't always good, but I don't think it's anything to get upset about. Still, I see DJ has changed the colors and I've changed the box so color alteration is no longer an option. And I'm not feuding. It's really no big deal. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Are you kidding? I was being polite. You two were the ones that started to attack me. dposse 21:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Two? --DJ Chair 13:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheerleader outfit count

Evidently her healing powers seem to apply to the cheerleader outfit she constantly wears - that or she has an unlimited supply of them somewhere. Here's the count so far: (more will be added as the show progresses, I'm sure.)

  1. Damaged after repeatedly dropping from the catwalk at an industrial site, burned in the train fire later.
  2. Lost after her attempted rape and "killing" by Brodey. (Coroner's report states that she was found naked.)
  3. Presumably damaged beyond repair in her car accident.
  4. Severely blood-stained during Sylar's attack in the locker room, presumably beyond hope of cleaning.

--Lurlock 05:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that too. Heh, it's funny, the high school budget for extra outfits must be substantial. Then again, it is Texas, and they sure do love their football in TX. --DJ Chair 13:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
When the firefighters showed up at Claire's school, I expected them to ask about the uniforms -- the guy checking her for burns ripped open one of her sleeves. If that cheerleader outfit does one or two more Wile E. Coyote-like resurrections, I seriously think it's a candidate to add to the trivia section, mentioned as an inconsistency in the series. BJ Nemeth 03:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I think you mean Tech E. Coyote, but yes. One of the many inconsistenciesm actually. Though I'd say this is fairly minor, like the way fictional characters always seem to wear the same clothes. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 03:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The third one doesn't really count because since she was in an accident the school probably would (or will) replace it. Presumably she would have a couple of spares. IIRC football players and hockey players usually have more than one uniform, as do military cadets. Either that, or Claire is skilled at clothes-craft! 23skidoo 05:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Power discussion from Talk:Heroes (TV series)

[edit] Claire's Healing Ability

Claire's healing ability has been given alot of names in this article. A character on the show referred to it as "Spontaneous generation", which is what the article calls this ability at the time I'm writing this. However, I linked the term to Healing Factor, as that is the Wikipedia article that describes what Claire's power actually does -- and Claire is listed in the Healing Factor article as an example of a fictional character with this ability. Does anyone see the need to change the name of the power and/or its wikilink again in the article? Primogen 17:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

First off, make comments before edits. You pointed to a non-existent topic in your edit summary and left a six minutes gap between this edit and this comment.
Now, second, one off-hand statement by a character is hardly grounds for piping. It's actually speculation to claim that not only is he referring to a healing factor, but that his terminology is superior. Sure, he's a gen. prof. but that doesn't make him right. Plus, this is ultimately the same writers who've allowed Claire's power to be mistated as "invincibility, invulnerability, et cetera" (all wrong, and revery different.)
Needless to say, I'm strongly opposed to the piping and the excess capitalization which you and others seem to favor. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not clear on what you favor. What should Claire's power be called in the article? And whatever the power is called, is it reasonable to link that term to the Healing factor article, which is about "the ability of some characters in fiction to recover from bodily injuries or disease at a superhuman rate"? Primogen 17:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
If the show calls it spotaneous regeneration I think we should go with that until the show tells us something else. Anything else is speculation. EnsRedShirt 18:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I second this - it may be similar, but may also be different.Knightrojen 18:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hold the hell up! First, this isn't a vote. As stated before, an offhand comment you're all assuming refers to Claire and her powers is not important. "The show" does not state Claire's power as "spontaneous regereration", and you claiming otherwise doesn't help your argument. In an interview, Claire's portrayer compared the power to that of Wolverine. Tim Kring loves this genre. Now, we are not misinterpreting one character's statement into dogma or mistitling Claire's power. I'm changing the article. Honestly.. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


I have to agree with ACS on this, the spontaneous regeneration comment was not speciffically referencing clair (though that is the presumtion. That said healing factor is the standard name and the name of the existing article. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  19:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The show call's Claire's ability Spontaneous Regeneration because the term Healing Factor is the property of Marvel Comics. Healing Factor, of course is Wolverine's ability, but the term comes from the X-Factor that the mutants in the Marvel Universe have. Even though the show mentions Marvel comic characters names, they must not have been able to to use the healing factor term, or did not want to make Heroes appear as a X-Men knockoff. Plus I think spontaneous regeneration is a better term because Claire doesn't seem to have any control over the ability, it just happens. When she was dead at the morgue her body "spontaneously healed" after that stick was removed from her head, she didn't have to "will" her body to heal.Lobot72 20:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

First off, you obviously misunderstand how healing factors work. It's the same across the board. Deadpool doesn't will himself to heal, either. And stop saying "it's the show". Mohinder just spouted off some random descriptive—not a scientific term—and some fans latched unto it. That's not "the show", that's you, and everyone else who prefers one phrase over the accepted terminology. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
What CAN be guaranteed is that if someone writes a 'spontaneous generation' or 'regeneration' article about superpowers, it WILL be merged with healing factor. I doubt that marvel has that trademarked. For whatever reasons, the writers have chosen to actually NOT be superspecific about the characters powers so far, beyond he flies, he copies powers, he bends time and space. We here on Wiki have articles matching these descriptions, so we linked to them. the same should happen here. If Nathan was described as having the ability to self-propel in a contra-gravitational manner with directional force and control, that would be linked to flight. That the characters have used such terms as indestructible and spontaneous generation is secondary to the fact that the viewers have seen her demonstrate amazing helaing powers, to the oint of coming back from death. Healing factor should be listed, and should be linked. ThuranX 21:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
ThuranX is right, the term healing factor isn't property of Marvel Comics. They may have been the first ones to use the term, they might have created it, but I've seen it applied in other comic books owned by different companies. I don't know if you can copyright it personally, that might be like McDonalds trying to copyright the world "hamburger". A healing factor is typically applied to someone that can regenerate damaged tissue much faster than an ordinary human without leaving any trace of the injury behind. In the case of numerous chracters that are considered as having some sort of healing factor, such as Marvel's Wolverine for instance, it extends to slowing or even halting the aging process, granting immunity to disease, granting immunity, or at least high resistance, to drugs and alcohol, and granting enhanced physcial attributes. Whether Claire's power branches off, or will branch off, in similar ways remains to be seen. Odin's Beard 23:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

When a salamander loses a limb and grows a new one scientist dont' say that it has a healing factor, they say it has "cellular regeneration". Look in any medical or biology text book, you won't find the term healing factor. Technically a healing factor would not regrow a lost limb or missing internal organs, a healing factor would just scab over the stump of the missing limb and grow skin over the wound. We all have a "healing factor", but with Claire there is no scarring and no nerve damage. So I'm going to change Claire's power to "enhanced cellular regeneration", because that is the exact scientific term of what she can do. I will also put healing factor in the description of her powers, hopefully that will end any more arguements of what to call her powers. Before making any comments check out the article on cellular regeneration, it will show you that is the most accurate term for what Claire can do. I do find it ironic in the show she can heal from any wound yet the other heroes are suppose to save her life.75.21.125.177 03:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

First off, you're misappropriating the term "healing factor". Second, the other article is "regeneration (biology) and has its own issues. Still, what it does say is that normal regeneration is limited. Healing factors are another story. Confusing the reader by linking to an unclear article, ambiguous article is like linking Nathan's power straight to "flight". We have to be clear and use the accepted terms. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 03:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

That's why it said "Enhanced" because its more than normal regeneration.75.21.125.177 04:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I personally don't care for the term "healing factor", since its not a term that someone who doesn't read comic books would recognize. But the Healing factor article does describe what Claire's power seems to be at this point, so I think it is an accurate term. As for "[Enhanced] [cellular] regeneration", I think this is doesn't quite convey her extraordinary healing abilities. But of the two, I think "healing factor" is more accurate and better conveys Claire's ability to heal. Primogen 20:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Seems odd to me that so much fervor would arise about what to call Claire's ability when "Healing Factor" is not used in the show and "sponteaneous regeneration" is. The comment about an off-hand remark isn't fair since the remark was made by a genetic scientist who has spent most of his professional career trying to prove his father's theories on the matter. Also, it seems to me that what happens with Claire "goes far beyond healing" 'cause brain tissue doesn't "heal." Gray-matter damage is permanent but Claire's brain was fully restored or "regenerated." (be nice to the newbie) doctordude.Doctordude 23:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

At this point, I think it is established that the show calls Claire's ability "spontaneous regeneration". However, the article that describes the type of power Claire exhibits is Healing factor. I think we we should start calling her ability "spontaneous regeneration" but pipe to Healing factor. Primogen 20:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Why are you responding to a month old thread when you know full well its already been changed? you so silly :) WookMuff 20:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
It hasn't been changed in all the Heroes articles, and the discussion was ongoing on the List of characters in Heroes article. I suggested the the discussion be moved to this talk page instead. However, I forgot that that you had continued this topic in a new section further on down below, in #Spontaneous Regeneration. Primogen 01:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Damn my showboating ways :) So this is also shown in another discussion thing? WookMuff 01:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suicide(?) Attempt #6, misquote

I have corrected a quote at the top of the page, where it mentioned her jumping from an 80-foot height. I believe the previous quote was "That was attempt number 6.", though the full quote is actually "This is Claire Bennet. And that was attempt number 6." according to Wikiquote:Heroes. Even while watching the show I specifially remember her stating her name in the sentence, although I'm not sure if the correct grammar is "...Bennet, and that was..." or "...Bennet. And that was...". I'm sure if it's incorrect someone will fix it. Bkid 09:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't a misquote; it was a partial quote, only taking the most important part of what she said. "That was attempt number 6." is a perfectly legitimate shortening of her full speech. --Psiphiorg 16:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
If what you are saying is true, then how would one go about informing the user that it IS a partial quote and not full. If I was any other user reading that page I might not have known it was partial, and just thought that was what she said. Bkid 18:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Um, why is it necessary for the reader to know that she said "This is Claire Bennet" before the quote? Most quotes are "partial quotes", as the term is used here. Writers quote the phrase, sentence, or passage that's relevent to their point, and leave out the rest, unless the speaker's meaning would be altered. In this case, "This is Claire Bennet" is unnecessary and does not need to be referred to. Primogen 19:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. Partial quoting is a standard practice and doesn't need to be explained to the reader situationally. Quoting a full sentence or general monologue is the actual expection. As such, I've corrected the statement. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewriting Claire's bio

Okay, I've rewrote Claire's bio. You know, it's good that we're managing to make the bios a bit shorter and clearer, but it seems to me like some of the specific incidents are still given too much detail.

Claire's whole subplot with Brody, for instance, I couldn't get it in less than two big paragraphs. We'll have to see, after one season, if the Brody thing will have been an important development for Claire. So far it seems like it is.

I'll try to re-write Mohinder next.

I'm sure that as the series progresses and these characters gain more history, some of the earlier events will seem less important and can be eliminated from (or condensed in) their character bios. By the way, was Claire "carefree and fun-loving" before she discovered her powers? Primogen 19:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
We won't know until Six Months Ago. I think off-hand statements might have implied such, but really, I don't recall anything along the lines of "You've changed, Claire." Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Brody says stuff at the bonfire celebration about Claire formerly being the first to laugh at a joke, and stuff like that. I don't remember the whole dialogue, but that seems to be the only hint about Claire's behavior pre-powers, so I included it. Maybe it merits a repeated watching of the scene to see if I got it right. Renenarciso 22:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Cleaned-up the bio. The only new info about Claire in "Nothing to Hide" was her brother discovering her powers, so I've added that after the second paragraph, where the people who know of her abilities are listed. Renenarciso 18:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Myspace citations

Information in both the Claire and Zack articles comes from their respective Myspace pages. However, Myspace is notorious for having fake and unofficial profiles. Does NBC or anyone official claim that the profiles are in fact official? Is there a way to prove that these pages are, in fact, written by the creative team and/or advertising department? If there is no way to prove their validity, I would suggest removing the information gleaned from them. 130.18.33.135 23:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The NBC site links to Claire's MySpace page, both directly (click the bookbag in Claire's profile page) and indirectly (the easter egg in the on-line comic featuring Claire). I think it's fairly safe to say that NBC endorses the site. --Psiphiorg 23:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
MySpace is notorious for Mark Foley-esq scandals. IMDb is notorious for false info. Get your insults right! ;-) Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
... ¿qué? DJ Chair 19:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spontaneous Regeneration

So... i guess the spontaneous regeneration people are right now? WookMuff 10:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

You must be referring to the "Homecoming" episode in which It's said that one of the abilities listed in Chandra's book is spontaneous regeneration. Unfortunately, that doesn't advance the issue of whether Claire's power can be called spontaneous generation because 1) we already knew Chandra's book mentions spontaneous generation; and 2) that term hasn't yet been specifically used to describe Claire's powers. Primogen 14:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, wait, did Zach refer to Claire's powers as "spontaneous generation" when giving her the book? There is still another issue from the original debate: the healing factor article describes Claire's abilities better than the spontaneous generation article. Personally, I have no problem with describing Claire's ability as spontaneous generation, but I don't think the most recent episode resolved the debate. Primogen 16:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
technically, it was "regeneration". The Sureshes call it that, so Zach probably got it from the book. Perhaps, at the very least, we should redirect the term to one of the articles. I'm thinking, because of the usage, to healing factor. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Well if you guys are willing to do that, why is there an issue? Describing her powers as Spontaneous regeneration is as simple as simple can be 60.240.41.159 20:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC) Lazy unsigned-in WookMuff
We need to make sure that everyone is on the same page, so that we don't start up another revert war, as these decisions about how to name/describe Heroes powers tends to do. Primogen 01:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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