Talk:City of Heroes enemy groups

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Please, anyone write stuff. I certainly do not know everything about all of these organizations. - CaptainJade9

Wheee. Added at least something about every group listed. Some I don't know a lot about to really add much, specifically the high level enemies like the Knives, Carnival, and Malta. My highest level toon is 41, so I'm only just starting to encounter them. A few are missing. I'm pretty sure I've seen a Rogue Robots group on occasion (Council robots gone rogue), and I'm not sure to what group belong the enemy White/Black Nova/Dwarves that pop up like Voids when a Kheldan is on the team. And then there are the nasty, nasty Nictus crystals. - TexasAndroid 20:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

So, CoH and CoV share a lot of the same villains. What makes the most sense here? Maybe throw the common info in here, and make a seperate article for villains? Then of course the problem is that only half the enemies in CoV are villains :) I also kind of want to rename this to "Enemy Groups" or something shorter than "villainous organizations". JZig 10:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Adding CoV info 2 Arachnos 3 Individuality 4 Fifth Column Remarks 5 Villain Comparisons 6 Name Spelling? 7 Missing?

[edit] Adding CoV info

Ok. Now that we have nice info on each of the CoH groups, the issue has been brought up of how to handle enemies in CoV. Since a large portion of the CoH enemies are also present in CoV, it doesn't make sense to me to duplicate the information. I think that with a few adjustments, this one article could serve for both.

Here are my thoughts on what would need to happen. Tossing these out for comment...

1) Rename the article. I'm thinking City of Heroes enemy groups. I don't see an easy way to mention both games in the title, but if we at least get "Villainous" out of it, I think it can work.

2) Reorganize the entries. I'm thinking three main sections. CoH only, CoV only, and groups present in both games.

3) Get the CoV data in here.

Any thoughts? - TexasAndroid 19:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

-Sounds good to me. If you could rename it, because I don't know how, and if you could reorganize it. I did start a CoV page concerning the enemies but that could always be removed. Please, have at it! - CaptainJade9

You use the move button, but you have to be sure you're logged on. I know you have an account, because you used it for creating this page in the first place. You might want to use the account in general, since it's much more "yours" than the IP address that gets tagged to you when you edit logged out. But that's beside the current point. Moving around articles is something to be very careful about doing, as it's easy to make a mess of things if you do too many moves on a single article.

Anyway, given it's been three days and noone has objected, I'll go ahead with the basic points of my above plan. Also, what's the name of the CoV article you created. We can go ahead and get data moved over to here from there, and convert that article into a redirect to this one. - TexasAndroid 15:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

-Well, whatever was there originally is now gone, but it seems as if you've got the organizations down for CoV specified and I know there's some info on the CoV Off. Website -Thanks for the tips, I'm pretty new at this article writing and it seems to delete my pages every time when its the first time I've made em...for example the CoH Enemies Page I'll keep in mind those things, tahnks a lot. -I'll try and write one or two of the CoV specified ones, like the Goldbrickers or something... - CaptainJade9

Okay, what does it take to count as being present in both games? I've met the Banished Pantheon in a single mission, and some masks ocasionally spawn in Nerva, I've met the Hydra in one mission also, and I've even met the Soldiers of Rularuu in two different missions (all in CoV of course). If that's enough, then add those three groups to both, someone. --Tuderen 16:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

That's enough for me. I've moved those three. I'm a little surprised at the Soldiers of Rularuu, but if they are there, so be it. At this point, in the end, I would not be surprised if there end up being very few enemies that turn out to be truely CoH only. The ones currently listed as CoH only are somewhat guesswork on my part, though I had logical reasons for listing each there. Contaminated are only in the CoH tutorial zone, and are thus such a minor force in the game I figured they were not likely to be in CoV. The Shadow Shard groups I made a guess would not be in CoV, since the shard is not there. With the Soldiers at least, looks like I was wrong. The Void Hunters I placed there because, with no Kheldans in CoV, there would appear to me to be no reason for the Voids to be there. Though it now occurrs to me that it would be conceivable to see a void spawn in a street spawn in one of the three PvP zones. Until I hear a first hand report of it, I'm not going to bother moving them. :) Anyway, as for what constitutes presence in CoV, I would say simply being able to fight them with a villain character would be enough. This definition does put out one interesting twist. Heroes can encounter Longbow in the PvP zones, but since they are always on the same side, I would consider them an "enemy" for CoV only. The reverse does not hold true for CoV, as the Arachnos can be fought by villains all over CoV. - TexasAndroid 16:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Hydra and the Soldiers of Rularuu were only met in alternate dimensions. There's a contact in Nerva that works much like Portal Corp in CoH. Also, I just noticed it says Groups common to both games, that should be changed if we place groups that are anything but common to CoV there. --Tuderen 03:29, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I was using the word "common" for a different definition than you meant, but if there is any confusion over the meaning, and by your comments there appears to be, then it should be changed. - TexasAndroid 16:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I've found 5 CoV groups not on the list. Spectral Pirates, Cap au Diable Demons, Cage Consortium Guards, Slag Golems and Arachnoids. Now, I have no idea if any of them are in CoH, but I doubt it. Also, I can remember two other groups not on the list, but can't remember their exact group name. One is a Security Guard group and the other is the group in which that demon under Cap au Diable is in. Vah'Zul or something like that. I would add this myself, except I'm not really sure how all this works yet, so someone else should add it. --Tuderen 04:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

!NOTICE! All "known leaders" should be either archvillains or elite bosses, nothing more, no named bosses, lieutenants, anything. Thanks! Although, if in the story for the faction syas there is a leader and he is not in the game than that person should be added. The rule to that is the person has to be alive. -CaptainJade9

[edit] Arachnos

I removed Barracudda [sic] from the list of known Arachnos Leaders. Barracuda is Captain Mako's second in command, but she is not a real leader. She is, however, an actual AV/EB in the game. Ryulong 22:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Due to my motice above, Barracudda will remain under the leaders list. This has occurred with all other organizations and should continue. To compensate for her low-ranking, I will add her again except under Captain Mako and with two astrics. - CaptainJade9

[edit] Individuality

I pose the question, should we add lists of individual enemies under their factions? I do believe it will take a lot longer to complete but I do believe it is possible. What should we do from this point?

I'm inclined against this. We're already pushing the line with what in encyclopedic here. Some say we're alreayd over that line. If info can be nicely woven into the description of the group, as has been done in good part with the Council, then great. But I don't think we want to start eeing lists of the indivisual enemies here. - TexasAndroid 19:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Alright, that's fine. I was just wondering what you thought. I was just thinking on the expansion side rather than the "encyclopedic" side. That's cool, thx. - CaptainJade9

[edit] Fifth Column Remarks

Anyone able to find out who wrote the comment about the Fifth Column concerning their return? If so, please respond, I'm anxious to know the truth behind this and, if valid, the return of the Fifth Column to kick some...erm...butt. :3

- CaptainJade9

I wrote that. Manticore himself said so on the forums. I can't seem to find the post at the moment but it was indeed said and he would probably confirm it if he were to be private-messaged.--71.12.221.109 18:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I must say, this'll be interesting since Reichsman is from another dimension and, if I'm not mistaken, Requiem could still be reluctant in being in the Council since he was the "monarch" of the Fifth Column.

[edit] Villain Comparisons

What do people think about... CaptainJade9

The similarities between the Sky Raiders and the Gold Brickers?

The similarities between the Rikti and the aliens from Independence Day.

The similarities between the Rikti's spaceships and the the aliens' from Independence Day spaceships?

• In order: Dunno - Homage - Homage - SkarmoryThePG 11:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name Spelling?

Under the Family under the Both section, Guido's last name is spelled Verandi. Under the Mooks under the CoV only section, Guido's last name is spelled Veranti. Which is it? Can someone change it to the proper and then post on here saying a change was made...please? CaptainJade9

[edit] Missing?

For the CoV section the group "Infected" is missing. This group is very similar to "Contaminated" on the CoH side but it is, technically a different group. Also, should there be a listing of event based groups? These would include Halloween and Winter event spawns. Zombies, Vampires, Werewolves, Coven, Spirits, Fir Bolg (different than the Croatoa group?), and Winter Horde.