Talk:Citation needed

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Rather than showing a "deleted" message for this page, why not redirect to the appropriate Wikipedia help page which tells how users can insert a "citation needed" tag? This is the page of interest Wikipedia:Citing_sources, and the fact tag (the word fact enclosed by double curly braces) is the one they're looking for. Robert K S 08:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

As of today, it's finally happened. However, I believe the re-direct (to Citation) is still unhelpful. As mentioned above, users who enter "citation needed" into Wikipedia are really looking for Wikipedia:Citing_sources. If I am able, I will be bold and make the change myself. Robert K S 22:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC) Alas, I cannot, it is still protected. Moreover, this talk page may be more difficult to get to now, so it is unlikely people will know what they're missing. Robert K S 22:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Definently, that's exactly where I was trying to go --Taboo Tongue 22:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I find it extremely unhelpful to search for how to use "citation needed" and have a deleted page come up. I realize that Wikipedia shouldn't reference itself but that isn't what the redirect is doing. It is a helpful way to navigate the Style guides if you don't know how to find them. I think this page should be allowed to redirect to [[Wikipedia:Citing_sources] or more specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Tagging_unsourced_material. User:mrtrey99 10:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree - a redirect would be good. ParticularlyEvil 18:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes please. It certainly didn't tell me what I wanted to know. --Mr impossible 23:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you all. I was so frustrated, trying to figure out how to make a citation, with no obvious help, so I just typed "citation needed" into the encyclopedia search. The deleted page didn't help matters. I clicked on this discussion just in case, and finally found the answer ..in here. Wikipedia really needs to do a better job explaining the very basics, such as how to make a citation. --Strawberry Pudding Wings

Agreed. I came here looking how to insert a citation needed tag. Methulah 02:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. This page should redirect to the Help files, or there should at least be some kind of explanation! Bobo12345 07:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I definitly agree, I came looking for citation needed tag help too. Justin Time

I agree as well. If someone comes up with a non-wikipedia use of the term "citation needed", and would like to use this page, let them, but otherwise, it would help a lot if information like this could be gathered without having to type Wikipedia: before everything. -NorsemanII 02:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Another vote for redirection to the Citing sources page; I came to the article looking for the citation needed tag syntax, and found the help here in the discussion page instead. --Jbaio 02:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Yet another vote for the redirect --Klynchk

I vote for the redirect too, I came here wanting to know how to add the "Citation needed" thingy. --mcld 12:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm here looking for the link too... Thanks for at least putting the link on the talk page - at least that's saved me some more time searching! Steevm 15:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I'm here looking for the link, had to find it through old versions of the page, clearly usability dictates this page must ne a redirect, only a jobsworth could make a prosaic rules-based anti-common-sense argument against it.

[edit] Request for comment: Reinstate redirect

This subsection relates to a RfC posted on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Style issues for comments re restoring this redirect. Created 12:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Ditto to everything said above. Suppressing knowledge of how the ^{[citation needed]} tag works is pointless. Khaighle 23:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

RfC response: Redirecting seems like a very good idea. Durova 04:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

This is the most pointless use of redirect possible. Someone searching for "citation needed" is not looking for the article on citation or even the Wikipedia Policy on citation they are just unsure how to have ^{[citation needed]} inserted into a text. If we could find a way to tell to use fact encased in two curly brackets without having the unbearable situation of Wikipedia citing itself(horror of horrors) then that would be awesome cause then I wouldn't to pull my hair out everytime I go searching for to display citation needed without having to pull my hair out because of how ignorant some people can be about people who are ignorant about the minutiae of Wikipedia. User:Mrtry99 0:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Typing citation needed into the search should link to this page Wikipedia:Citing sources because that's where the actual information on inserting that phrase into articles comes from.

I don't believe anyone who types "citation needed" cares about knowing what a citation is. Change the link to the one above or at least add the information on citing an article on Wikipedia into the article on citation. Richard Cane 05:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)