Category talk:Cities in Palestine
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Is there some sort of minimum size or definite form of recognition that localities in Palestine have to achieve in order to be recognized as a city? I have create a new category Towns and Village in Palestine (a sub-category of Geography of Palestine) to cover places which fall below this. PatGallacher 02:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- this categorization is suffering from inaccuracy. The opening line is "Cities in the territories under the interim control of the Palestinian Authority". If that's the case, the category should be "cities under the palestinian authority". Indicating that this is a city in palestine, where palestine is yet to exist, is WP:POV and misleading to the reader. When someone reads an article and it says "cities of palestine" he might think of palestine the region... he doesn't understand the meaning here is that it's actually under control of the paletinians. If that's the case Palestine is a wrong term. Amoruso 21:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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- it seems the actual list of cities is accurate - it says palestinian authority. the category should be changed as well Amoruso 21:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Such categories as this one are meant to refer to geographic locations. The Palestinian Authority is not, unfortunately, a geographic location but is the name of a temporary political body. It is clearly defined as cities in the territories under the interim control, i.e. a geographic location. Please do not upset the consistency of the purpose of such categories by making them politicized and POV. And in the West Bank, there are no cities left under PA control, Israel re-invaded them all after 2002. Ramallite (talk) 21:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Israel entered cities for security reasons but they're still under Palestinian authority. This is not a geographical thing, it's a factual thing. Saying cities in Palestine is a political statement and you know it. If it's defined that way, it should be written that way also. The geography of palestine includes as we know both sides of the river all the way to the sea. This is not the purpose of this category - the purpose if to define which cities are under control of the palestinians since the oslo agreements. Before the oslo agreements, these cities wouldn't have been regarded as "Cities in Palestine" making you lose that argument. Amoruso 21:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Yes your majesty. As you say, your majesty. I beg your forgiveness and request that you never stop remind me of what I know and don't know, even when I truly don't know it. You must know better what I know and don't know. I'm merely a Palestinian, who doesn't have a mind of my own. Actually, I don't even exist. I'm a political invention.
- Seriously though, when is the last time you were in Bethlehem or Nablus? I can tell you, we are not under Palestinian Authority because the Palestinian Authority has no authority, Israel ultimately controls everything. As I told User:Shamir1, I won't argue with you about Tel Aviv, so don't argue with me about my home. Some people have this notion that if you say something out loud, it becomes a fact. Don't believe your leaders all the time. Ramallite (talk) 22:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Look, this is the fact. There is security force in these cities, it doesn't change the fact that it's controlled by Palestinian... when the mayor will be selected by Israel, like it used to be, then it will be Israeli controlled. When some of the mayors belong to Hamas, it's a palestinian authority city. These are the facts. But it doesn't matter at all for the relevance here. All you're suggesting is to delete the category altogether. I'm suggesting naming the category to be more precise. When Palestine will be a state, then this category will be correct. Amoruso 22:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- You have a very strange definition of the word "control", I must say. There are Israeli soldiers in the city (security forces as you say, because they really make me feel secure pointing their guns at me), but it's under Palestinian Authority control? What if the mayor doesn't belong to Hamas? Does that make it a Palestinian non-Authority city? So is ShfaAmr (Shfaram) a Palestinian Authority city too? The mayor is Palestinian Islamist, and it has Israeli security forces in it. Fits your definition perfectly. Ramallite (talk) 22:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- <sigh> again you wish to enter into the realms of a discussion board. We're not here to discuss the legtimicay of this Israeli or that Israeli, we're here in an encyclopedia trying to define the correct term of this category. You're not being very helpful on the subject, because you're not even arguing the case, you've totally drifted into some WP:POV area that I still don't know how you got there. Amoruso 22:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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This category was nominated for deletion or renaming on 2006 August 25. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
