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[edit] Bono?
Should Bono be listed on this page, since on his page he is said to be: His father was Roman Catholic and his mother Protestant, and he was brought up with a strong religious faith but no attachment to any denomination. --Robert McKay 09:20, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
In the British TV show Bono's Millions, the childhood friend being interviewed ends the programme by saying that Bono will not be happy until the Pope is a Protestant. That humourous comment hints that his schoolfriends thought that he was more inclined to the Church of Ireland. Anyway, it would be better to also have him mentioned under Roman Catholicism than to remove him from the Church of Ireland. MnJWalker 00:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Bono was raised Church of Ireland, meaning Paul Hewson was raised as an Anglican. It's not really that suprising many great cultural and political figures from the Republic of Ireland are Anglicans, including the first president of the Republic, Douglas Hyde.
[edit] autonomy
- The Church of Ireland is an autonomous province of the Anglican Communion,
What does "autonomous" mean in this context? Is this "autonomy" in fact autocephaly? (I confess to suspecting so.) Michael Hardy 22:56, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
- It means autonomous in the literal sense of the word -- nobody can tell it what to do. Of course it is autocephalous too. I confess that the eastern orthodox autonomy/autocephaly distinction made in autocephaly confuses me greatly; one would expect autonomy to be stronger than autocephaly. What term do the eastern orthodox churches use for a church with its own independent head (i.e. he doesn't have to report to anybody) but whose synods are not authorized to change the canons on their own? Doops | talk 23:40, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know; maybe you could ask this question at Talk:autocephaly. Michael Hardy 01:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] History
Could I suggest that the history section is rejigged slightly? If there is any evidence of Christianity in England (excluding British slaves) before the 5th century, I haven't heard about it and I've read widely around the subject. By all means include the St. Philip story but one really ought to have a bit of historical accuracy in there. And I assume the 'unique calender' comment was a reference to the Easter controversy. That was sorted in southern Ireland in the 630s and by the mid eighth century it was a dead issue throughout Ireland. The Irish church was distinctive in the time of Colombanus, but the article suggests it was still as distinctive in the 12th century, and I'm not sure that's true.
- If there is any evidence of Christianity in England (excluding British slaves) before the 5th century, I haven't heard about it and I've read widely around the subject. Um, Christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire (including what we now call England) for its last few centuries of existence. But of course England wasn't England until the 5th century. Doops | talk 21:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
- Evidence of Christianity in England before 5th Century - Earliest written evidence is the presence of the Bishops of York, London, and Lincoln at the Synod of Arles (314), but there is evidence of Christian belief among soldiers stationed there and a Roman villa has been found with a room containing Christian symbols. Note to Doops. Christianity does not become the official religion of the Roman Empire until 380 just 30 years before the Roman occupation of "England" ended. Distinctive until 12th century - definitely so, principally through the approach to monasticism. liturgy, and ecclesiastical structures. This was brought to an end by St Malachy, while archbishop of Armagh. The Irish church actually continued to be ditinctive up until the time of the first post-Reformation cardinal, Paul Cullen. He inspired a move away from the "low-church" Catholicism of Ireland towards greater emphasis on ritual and beauty. Of course, this "low-church" Catholicism was (probably) largely the result of the political situation of Irish Catholics under English rule. MnJWalker 22:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Division of list
Would it be helpful to divide the list between the living and the dead? William Quill 09:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Oscar Wilde
In the list at the bottom it names 'Oscar Wilde, writer, but converted to Roman Catholicism on his deathbed.' If that is true that is beyond funny. Talk about a fitting end to Wilde's life. Brilliant. El Gringo 17:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proinsias Mac Aonghusa
Proinsias Mac Aonghusa was not a member of the Church of Ireland. He was a non practising Roman Catholic who happened to be married to a Church of Ireland member (Mrs Justice Catherine McGuinness).
[edit] JTDIRL
why do you delete my contributions to this page? merely linking up a page of Irish Anglicans to a Church of Ireland information page is not vandalism. Is this a case of hatred against Protestants?? —This unsigned comment was added by Wikidude1 (talk • contribs) 23:18, 17 March 2006.
- The problem is that by including the category you are not "linking" a page of Irish Anglicans to this article, you are including this article in the category Irish Anglicans. This means that "Church of Ireland" is listed as an Irish Anglican, which obviously makes no sense. I will create a link to the category, but for future reference to do so you would use this code: [[:Category:Irish Anglicans]], i.e. add an extra colon before 'Category'.
- Hope that's of some help, also please be careful before accusing somebody of bigotry - reverting an edit on a Protestant-related page is hardly evidence of anti-Protestant feeling. --Ryano 22:42, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
I would like to apologize to JTDIRL (I'm Sorry) for my hotheadedness. I don't think I will be contributing to Wikipedia anymore. --Wikidude1 22:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Wikidude, please don't be put off, everybody has early setbacks like this! Stick around and I'm sure you'll be able to make a valuable contribution to Wikipedia. --Ryano 01:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Changes to Medieval History
I have substantialy re-written the paragraph on medival Irish church history, but keeping to its structure. The original owed more to Celtic romanticism than to current historical scholarship, especially with regard to the claims that Celtic Christianity was suppressed through Norman invasion. I might disagree with what Saint Malachy did, but he deserves the credit for changing the structures and liturgy of the Irish church. The changes also bring this article into line with the one on Henry II. As I have revised the importance given to Henry, I also removed the statement about the irony of the English bringing Ireland within the Roman fold.
Sorry forgot to sign this. MnJWalker 22:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Rev Stephen Hilliard
'Alleged member of the IRA', gosh I had never heard of that before, I must be a complete innocent! Who 'Alleged' this?, I can't seem to find any more information on these allegations. Was it the Provos or the Old IRA? Seems a bit of a strang affiliation for a man of the cloth? Camaderry 10:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Norman Ireland and the edits on October 7
What is the connection between Henry II of England and Catholic Christianity in Ireland? The article doesn't say how much the Roman Christianity of the Norman Church differed from the previous Celtic church. Without explaining the change, other than saying the Normans usurped temporal authority, there is no point in an edit war over whether the Church Of Ireland heritage goes back through the Normans to the Synod of Whitby and then Patrick.
I am not being snarky: I really think the history should be explained in the article.
