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[edit] Dont speak spanish very well

The following was removed simply because it was not very professional and badly worded anyway.

It is a common mistake among people who don't speak Spanish very well to think that "Chupacabras" is necessarily plural. In Spanish, compound words such as this very often include a plural term, even when the resulting word is singular.

I would think that this page just isnt the place to get into *excessive* discussions on spanish plurals.



The title of this article should be "Chupacabras", as it is a shortening of "goat sucker" ("Chupador de cabras", in spanish - note the final s. "Chupador de cabra" makes no sense and sounds odd in spanish). The problem lies in the direct translation of "goat" as singular; in spanish, the usage es in plural whenever describing something. For example (mesa=table, auto=car) "limpiador de mesas" (table cleaner), "corredor de autos" (car racer), etc. -- AlanMB

It's also supposed to exist in Mexico, and yes I knew that before I saw it on X-Files.  :-) People there made jokes about it and there were T-shirts of it at all the little tourist traps. Kind of like Bigfoot in the U.S., most people don't believe in it but every now and then you meet someone who does.

Xeno: I didn't believe in it until I interviewed more than one person who'd seen it (they didn't know about eachother's stories) in the same area (Calavaras County California!) http://www.xenophilia.com/zb/zb0004.htm (Intended more as a fun and speculative page than an Encyclopedia entry.)

Is there any evidence whatsoever for reports of "Chupacabra" earlier than the 1980s? Wondering simply, -- Froggy

I think the Jersey Devil reference should be deleted. The Chupacabra is described as an upright reptiloid with spines on its head and back; the Jersey Devil is a much older phenomenon, and is described as a winged creature. Pictures I've seen make it look like a creepy pterodactyl-like critter.

Changed the Jersey Devil reference and added a bit more data. -- Storm

Isn't the Spanish form Chupacabras? (plural = singular). It's my understanding that English speakers dropped the final "s" because it makes the word seem plural. -- Error

Well, anyone remember "pease" porridge soup? (A pease used to mean a pea.) We changed that one too. Wiwaxia 14:39, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Both "chupacabra" and "chupacabras" are accepted on Spanish and Portuguese, but the plural IS NOT the same as the singular. The "chupacabra" form relates to an attack to a single goat, while the "chupacabras" form relates to an attack to a an entire group. Since there really isn't any difference on the meaning of the term, both forms are accepted and used everywhere. Mackeriv 02:39, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The section entitled "Naming convention" is messy, verbose, contradictory and confusing. It looks like an ongoing wrangle on a Talk page, rather than part of an encyclopaedia article:
The creature is known as both "Chupacabra" and "Chupacabras" throughout the Americas, although the plural is not the same as the singular. The "Chupacabra" form relates to an attack on a single goat, while the "Chupacabras" form relates to attacks to several goats. Both forms are accepted and used everywhere.
The name can be preceded by the masculine definite article ("El Chupacabras"), which means roughly "The goat-sucker" in Spanish. It is considered grammatically correct, despite the common mistake of thinking "Chupacabras" is necessarily plural. Compound expressions such as this often include a term in the plural, even when the phrase is in the singular. Examples from the Spanish language include "correcaminos" ("road-runner"), "lavapiés" ("feet washing", a ceremony of the Catholic Church included in the preparation for Easter) and others.
Such phrases end in "s" because the second term is already in the plural and have no distinct plural form, except for the change of every other term of the sentence referring to them. Example: El chupacabras apareció ("the goat-sucker appeared"), los chupacabras aparecieron ("the goat-suckers appeared", plural).
However, to conform with the grammatical rules of the Brazilian Portuguese, the correct name of the beast would be "Chupa-cabras", with a hyphen.
The name of the thing is the chupacabras. One chupacabras, two chupacabras. The singular ends in an s and the plural is the same. Easy. The fact that an alternative form chupacabra exists does not change that fact. A statement like "The "chupacabra" form relates to an attack to a single goat, while the "chupacabras" form relates to an attack to a an entire group" shows a lack of understanding of the nature of the word (and many others like it in Spanish) -- as the examples quoted show. This section should, I suggest, be deleted. Flapdragon 02:09, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You don't understand. Deleting the section would only bring more people to the article ranting about the name and adding their views to it. Trust me. That's because I've created it. Now, what you are saying might make enough sense in Spanish, but you should know that the article can't only reflect the Spanish language view of this issue. This also owes a lot to Portuguese. I live in Brazil. I know how it is. About the state of the section, when I created it a long time ago, it seemed good enough to me. I made it "straight to the point" the most I could. The clearest I could. Sure, other people came in and made their changes, and since those weren't any absurds, I didn't do much about them. Perhaps that's why you're getting confused, but in that case, I think the content should be a little better improved. That way it won't look "messy" or "contradictory".--Kaonashi 04:44, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps you'd care to explain where you see the "getting confused" in what I said? An article that says that chupacabras is not the same as chupacabra, but it's the same really, and it's known as "both "Chupacabra" and "Chupacabras" throughout the Americas", but in Brazil it's actually "chupa-cabras" with a hyphen -- now that's getting confused. Someone who says that I might (eh? might?!) be right about Spanish, but there's Portuguese to take into account too, but has already admitted that the situation is exactly the same in Portuguese (singular noun ending in "s") -- that's someone getting very confused. A sentence like "Compound expressions such as this often include a plural term, even when the phrase is singular" -- that's pretty confusing for the poor old reader, as well as unnecessary. Since you use the word, yes it is "absurd" to have an encyclopaedia article that repeats and contradicts itself and can't seem to make up its own mind what it's saying. Incidentally, since you have now deleted it, do you no longer stand by your bizarre claim that the beast actually has a different name according to whether it attacks one goat at a time, or several? ("A chupacabra has attacked my goat! Oh no, it got both goats -- must have been a chupacabras instead!") Or were you "getting confused" when you wrote that?
The matter of the name is extremely simple, and the article, even as amended, makes very heavy weather it. It's the chupacabras, or chupa-cabras in Portuguese if you like, meaning "sucker of goats", but you also find it called the chupacabra, perhaps because some English speakers wrongly assume chupacabras must be plural. That's all that needs to be said.
As for people coming back to add their views and tinker with what you've written, well yes, that's what happens on Wikipedia, it's kind of the point really, and you just have to get used to it. "Trust me", as you would say. As it tells you every time you edit a page, "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it". Flapdragon 11:23, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If I didn't know Wikipedia's point is teamwork, and that its content is there to be edited by anyone, I'd never even consider applying for adminship. If I didn't know people here are only here to work together in order to make a better encyclopedia, I wouldn't bother being here. So it's useless pointing me what Wikipedia is or not. As for the "confusion" you insist of talking about so much, you'd do best to remember who brought up this confusion in the first place. It wasn't me. Guess who was. The section where you made your first post here was long dead, bud. Whether you like what was in the article or not, people weren't minding it. Now just don't go pointing your finger at others and telling whether they are confused or not. Instead, if you were that unhappy with the section, you should have gone there yourself and fixed it, instead of leaving the legwork for someone else.

It's done now. Hope the confusion is gone. See you.--Kaonashi 16:30, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, there's obviously still some confusion in someone's mind about who started pointing fingers! Why not glance back through your posting and practise what you preach?
I don't know, first he complains of the risk of "bring[ing] more people to the article ranting", then he says people "weren't minding it" anyway, then he says go ahead and do what you like! -- which is indeed what I should have done in the first place and avoided all the silly backchat. Funny boy... ;-)
Seriously though, it's a shame to see such a display of arrogance and bad temper from someone who's supposed to be an "admin" in response to a perfectly reasonable point. He must have forgotten to read all the stuff about keeping it polite and constructive. Flapdragon 00:46, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category

I see someone decided to add this article to the "Puerto Rico" category. I don't think it should be related to that category, since it's obvious this article deals with a subject that is related to several regions in America. That is well clear to anyone who reads that article. If it has to be affiliated with a category, it should be something like "Monsters" or "Mythical Creatures" (yes, I know this one doesn't exist). Anyone agrees with that? – Mackeriv 02:35, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Removed. – Mackeriv 03:01, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The hairless creature that is suspected to be Chupacabra caught by a rancher in San Antonio, Texas is discovered in November of 1996 according to several websites including http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa051898.htm ; I thus made a amendment to the article changing the date from July 2004 to November 1996. --Da Man

Apparently, both news are different. An article posted by the same person who added that bit of information to this article says it happened in July '04, and not November '96. I don't know about this, but until someone proves otherwise, the article will remain the way it was. – Mackeriv 04:13, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Yeah i guess i made a mistake. They are indeed obviously two different incidents after i read the article which i missed the first time round. Sorry. --Da Man
No problem, sir. – Mackeriv 23:46, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the Legend

As a native Puerto Rican I am familiar with the development of this urban myth, so I'd like to add my comments. (I'll let you people decide if they should be added to the page or not.)

During the 1970s the southwestern area of Puerto Rico suffered similarly mysterious livestock slayings. In that ocassion, the slayings were also blamed on a fantastical creature, but in that case it was refered to as "The Moca Vampire" (after Moca, the town where the slayings first started.)

It should be noted that at the same time, mysterious slayings of livestock were also happening on some southwestern United States. Those ones spawned their own urban myths: that the slayings were due to alien experiments, and that the animals had several organs surgically removed. Another take on the story (that was adapted into a TV movie) claims that the animals died due to a secret US nerve gas experiment and the "aliens" story was a coverup operation.

When the animal slayings started again in the 1990s, the 'alien experiments' theory had reached the island and was at first used to explain them. However, at one point a local UFO magazine featured an article that theorized that the slayings could be the product of a creture unleashed (or lost) by aliens. The article included a drawing of a reptilian monster, clearly indicating that it was an artist's conception of what the creature might look like. Despite this, the public at large accepted this unsubstantiated story (and the drawing) as being true and the Chupacabras legend was born.

To be fair, neither the 70s nor the 90s animal slayings were ever officially resolved. A local newspaper attested that pictures of the supposed chupacabras victims (that showed signs of being eaten) were sent to an expert on animal attacks in Florida, who dismissed them as wild dog attacks. But he never personally studied the bodies. -Wilfredo Martinez, Puerto Rico

Hey. I don't know much about the subject, but what you wrote there sounds good enough. I also don't know about the sources for that information, but if you're positive on it, maybe it could be added to the article.
Also, the comment about nerve gas reminds me of the MKULTRA project, which is kinda conspiracy-ish, I think. Probably doesn't have anything to do with the slayings, but that's what the supposed "coverup" you talked about reminds me. – Kaonashi 03:36, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 1997

In 1997, lot Chupacabra's cases appeared in Brazil. In that year, chupacabras had been notice of many national's periodicals and magazines.

If anyone has any information on the "El Chupacabra" please email me at Kgrnett21@yahoo.com my name is david phair.

72.159.133.25 13:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)== Reggie Labow == In August 2005 Reggie Labow, a Texas farmer, trapped a kangaroo-like creature which could be the first definitive evidence of the creature's existence. He set the trap after a number of his livestock were killed. The animal was sent to Texas Parks and Wildlife for examination and testing. It's physical appearance is distinctly different than the Elmendorf creature.

I moved this out of the article... it looked suspicious, and Google returns 0 hits on '"Reggie Labow"' or '"Reginald Labow"', nothing relevant with 'Labow Texas', including news search. --Jake 05:54, 2005 August 28 (UTC)

I found the link that says it here http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4895053/detail.html its from the local news station in LA, sadly no other news is talking about it. -- sirevil

Its Reginald Lagow, not Labow http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=970&category=Environment --mhocker

I edited the caption of the topmost image. It originally claimed to be a photo of the creature caught by Reginald Lagow a month ago, which is impossible considering I've had that exact same photo on my hardrive for years. - Boiler Bro Joe


I have seen chupacabras in California, it chased me to my house and started banging on my house. Me and my cousin went into the mountains with a gun to shoot it and after about ten minutes it came from behind us and made a undescribable sound. It eventually chased us back to our house. We want to go out with a group of people and catch it.

[edit] Edit Issue

K, someone edited in something in the beginning of the article about it looking like someone; it quite obviously is off-topic, but upon attempting to edit said information, it doesn't show in the edit window. Fix?

[edit] The true fact???

I am unable to find any references (internal or external) to the following: Bive Teknos Institute, caneratto, caniratto, kiro kiro. This section appears to be completely fictitious. Anyone have any information about it that I'm unaware of?

I've reverted it twice now. If this was real, there would be online sources to confirm it. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] my two cents on "the true fact"

I did find the bive-teknos website, and it appears to be either some sort of scam or joke. Many of the photos of creatures that are "for sale" are either poorly photoshopped, and/or pictures of actual animals. I.E, one picture- of a gremlin, I believe- is what appears to be a sugar glider. In the absence of any other sources, I'd recommend deleting the "true fact" section.

I'd do it myself, but I'm not comfortable with the idea of editing yet.

[edit] my two dollars on "the true fact"

No, the page exists, the Bive Teknos exists, and their animals too. Names as gremlins or goblins have nothing to do with the creature created in lab. Those names were given by the students -still owners of the site- that live in Lybia. They have no money and no experience in the art of computer-graphics. They are not designers, because their study is only limited to biology. They work in a biochem lab and are economically supported by BTI. Their idea is to sell the pets created in Maghesh at the purpose to make money and help their researchs. The European BTI institute knows this fact, it takes no money and allows them to do that. The animals are not recognized officially. They are not accepted as fauna in some countries of the world, but they exist. They are new species of dogs, cats, monkeys, horses, squirrels. And some dog-breeders of the US and America Latina know this fact very well. But I think their webpage is off or under-construction now. I do not know exactly.

Dinho Callero de Curitiba, Brasil/Brazil.

[edit] IMHO

IMHO Ilmari Karonen me parece una racista ;-) I know it is off topic, dear Ilmari Karonen, but above I read your raccist line. Am I wrong? Do u perhaps hate the blacks? Or do you work for a rival lab? This would explain your recent editing... JJuan - PR.

PS. Any info on chupacabras is welcome here. We are looking for people with experience in this field (witness or writer or scholar).

[edit] Videotape

The Johnson Smith Catalog/company used to sell a documentary tape called "La Chupacabra". It asked if this was a failed US experiment or was it a alien creature. You could order the tape from their catalog, as of 1998. I do not know if they're still around. The place was located in the US state of Florida. The website was http//:www.johnsonsmith.com. Do a Google Search on "Johnson Smith Company". It was a novelty company selling gag stuff, like Whoopee Cushions and Stink Spray, which was to be sprayed into the Whoopee Cushion, so that when the "victim" found it, he/she would not be believed and be blamed for "breaking wind". They also used to sell what looked like viscera, so that you could say, "My guts hurt", then you splatter the mess on the floor, as you watch how people react to what looks like a disgusting mess hitting the floor. Please stand by while I find out if this company is still in business. Martial Law 23:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


Site is still online. The link is Johnson Smith Company Homepage This is the only place to purchase the "La Chupacabra" tape and/or DVD. Someone should do a article about this company. The tape and/or DVD is sold through this company from time to time. Martial Law 23:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

You'll need to see the section called: Things You Never Knew Existed Martial Law 23:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Its own link is: Things You Never Knew Existed This is where the tape is sold via the catalog itself and/or via this link. Martial Law 23:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Hope this helps. Martial Law 23:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

MAYBE Maybe they are they are the same BTI or linked to the BT institute. Not sure, however. User: JJ - 03.20, February 1 2006 (UTC) If you go to Mexico city you can find lots of VHS videos about the caneratto chupacabras. The J.Smith Company has no exclusiveness.

[edit] "Recent USA sightings"

I have removed the following recent addition from the article:

In January of 2006 in the Oconee and Clarke counties of Northern Georgia several Chupacabra sightings were reported to local police. A local livestock farmer reportedly recieved a shipment of venezualian goat-hogs and upon unloading the shipment was attacked by a beast. Athens-Clarke County sheriff Athony Saunders was quoted describing the wounds from the attack as "resembling fangs, like what you'd find in one of 'em horror movies". On January 23, a school bus full of deaf orphans were witness to a create mutilating an obese stray dog on their way back from a martial arts exposition at 10pm. Local resident Jan Douglas Schotman called in an account to the forensics team at Above-Top-Secret.com. Schotman (pronounced scott-man) apparently saw one of the beasts feeding on chicken carcasses in his apartment complex dumpster at 2am on January 28. His account has not be substantiated by local paranomal experts. Since the report of the sightings local school officials have imposed a curfew on school-age children until further notice.

No sources have been provided for this claim, and I was unable to find one online. In particular, Googling for chupacabra schotman yields no hits. If a verifiable source can be provided, I have nothing against adding this information back into the article. In the absence of sources, however, including it is against Wikipedia policy. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It was probably just your average, everyday cannerato sighting (j/k)--Rockero 05:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demonic Phenomena???

As a follower of Jesus Christ, I find it interesting that on some of the sightings of the Chupacabra that the witnesses smelled sulfuric smells. In some of my demonic encounters, I have smelled sulfuric smells. This leads me to believe that the Chupacabra, along with ghosts, poltergeists, aliens, and the lizard men that this is a demonic presence. LordRevan 01:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I smell sulphur after I fart... am I a demon? ---J.Smith 00:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It is not an alien

Ilmari and LordRevan the canerato exists but has nothin to do with sci-fi. It is a hybrid beast born in lab and you can find him in the Southern part of America. It is a sort of wild dingo, the australian dog, I think, and is perhaps related with the odd dog of Peru, but its fangs are longer and the muzzle, color and tail are different. I never saw him however. Just read few lines on a newspaper and heard some nice comment in a barber shop. Hope this helps a little. User:N.Albai 02:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Not a bit. :p ---J.Smith 00:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] May be a alien

There are some UFO incident reports that state that this thing has been seen with UFOs. See the UFO Casebook article, go to the link, then go to the "Alien Contact" files. This thing and other creatures are covered there. The Malevolent Alien Abduction Research Organization also discusses this thing. On this site, see "Alien Races/Alien Species". Martial Law 04:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC) :)

[edit] Cleanup tag removed

I made a huge amount of edits to the page, and I think it no longer warrants a clean-up tag. Please make any corrections as you see fit, and let me know! Thanks! Elchupachipmunk 22:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Have you no shame?

This article seems to be very biased and there are parts where it almost whole heartedly says the chupicabra is real, not just a urban legend, which is all that is proved.


[edit] Chupacabra in Russia

I added Russia to list of countries which Chupacabra has been spotted in

The link to the story

[edit] Two too many categories?

I don't think this article should be in the Legendary creatures category (Cryptids is a sub cat of it) nor Paranormal phenomenon category (Cryptids is a sub cat of it also). Just my thoughts on it. -- J. [ tlk | con | #'s ] @ 10:11, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Infringement

it seems as if some of the wording, particularly in the "Sightings" section, is taken verbatum from the cited websites, but without quote marks. This would make it plagerism? At the very least, there should be quote marks, or else it should be rewritten using the author's own words NCartmell 17:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent sightings?

Have there been any other recent aightings besides the one in Russia? Punk18

[edit] Define "recent".

I've been reading this article, and it always says "recent". For all I know, recent could've been put there 2 years ago. That doesn't seem too "recent", agreed? I say, if someone doesn't put a date on those "recent" sightings, we either take it off or put it as "It's been claimed (as there has eben no citation) this so-and-so" happenned. Abby724 23:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maine!

I live in maine and there was a mysterious dog/rodent sighting when it got hit on route 4 in turner, Maine it was supposedly hit by a car as it was chasing a cat across the road no game wardens would come to see it and told cmp to pick it up. I think it is a part werewolf part rat part coyote alot of people said it was a dog or wolf hybrid or a chow with a long dewclaw. It is not an alien but it is a new Maine legend. I spotted and heard the creature and then got very dizzy and passed out but the last thing i heard was a very blood curdling screech and then another and hissing and then a gurgling sound then rustling in leaves then it all went black. When i came to i had claw marks all over my left arm and the plastic bat i was holding had 2 circular bite marks 6 or 7 inches apart now i never go outside at night and when i fall asleep on the aneversary of the night it happened i hear the sounds that i heard that night in my head and i hear hundreds of people sreaming that all ended up as a screech and a gurgling sound just as i heard the night it attacked me. For pictures go to sun journal.com.70.33.224.47 19:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


The Maine citation in the article is no longer good (Cit. #4). This link needs to be changed or removed: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MYSTERY_BEAST?SITE=WWL&TEMPLATE=STRANGEHEADS.html&SECTION=HOME

Creepy. It must have ran up and attacked you, but it might have been a coyote. Did it bite you? Thylacine lover 01:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] me

That last one was by me jason haynes!70.33.224.47 20:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] about the chupa cabra

about the chupa cabra, as I search in the internet I can help thinking that all is a mythical gov, lie they just trying to cover the spill of the monkeys that would harm the people in puerto rico so they came out with this story to keep the people from fear, I believe that the real chupacabras was the monkeys that were running wild in the town of toa baja check it out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.88.171.8 (talk • contribs).

Comment moved from the top of page... ---J.S (t|c) 15:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


Jason, if it was a part werewolf part rat part coyote alot of people said it was a dog or wolf hybrid or a chow with a long dewclaw maybe it is a wild caneratto, as the one showed on CNN. User: Tim Taylor 18:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good point but no.

Tim,the caneratto is a fictional animal coming from the cane part that would meen canine and the ratto whould meen rat. so that is somehing cnn made up.But it would be a cool animal!maybe it is a wild caneratto, as the one showed on CNNWhich that last sentence was a qoute from tim taylors message. Jason Haynes

[edit] Correction

I heard the Turner Beast of Maine was thought to be a wendigo. (though I think that one is incorrect as well) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.128.166.238 (talk • contribs).

Hearsay. Need secondary sources. ---J.S (t|c) 19:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I've read it in the Lewiston Sun Journal.

Do you have the name/date of the article? A link to an online copy would be excellent too. ---J.S (t|c) 21:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Version in Chile

I lived in Chile from Jan. 2004 to Jan 2006 where occasionally the Chupacabra was mentioned on the news, usually half-jokingly- but everytime someone mentioned it down there they described a winged bat-like creature... not once did I hear of a ground dwelling lizard type creature- perhaps someone could pull up an official reference to that version and add it to this page?

[edit] I think the governments invovled.

I have a friend who lives in Arkansa, and he claimed to see a beast-like dog, in his back yard. He said he believes it's some sort of goverment tested creature, only because his friends and him found small, empty closed gates with hazard signs in the woods down there. So my beleifs is it has something to do with the goverment.

[edit] Chupacabra- or rabid maned wolf?

A friend and I were at a playground. I thouhgt I saw a patch of red fur, but it turned out to be leaves. But then, my friend saw something that looked a bit like a fox, but bigger, much, much bigger jump from a tree. I thought I heard a growl. Then I heard leaves rustling. Suddenly I realized that this might be a chupabraca! I told my friend to run, and when I looked back, I could have sworn I saw a rusty-furred thing standing were we were standing! it was about 2.5 feet tall, and it didn't look like a dog. It had little bumps running down it's back and tail. Otherwise, it looked like a giant fox that was all red.

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