Talk:Chuluaqui-Quodoushka
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[edit] Disputed
This article does not seem to be properly sourced, nor is the tone neutral. -Will Beback 01:35, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article was researched properly
Sourced from numerous published articles, and also from the Manual of the subject in question. Tone has been adjusted to a degree sufficent to allow neutral perspectives from non-predisposed participants, but preponderence of information leads to a natural perception of non-neutral bias. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jerry Cornelius (talk • contribs).
- Jerry, I do see great improvements made towards a more neutral tone. However, Will is also right that even if the information in the article came from good sources, it doesn't seem to be -- what information came from which sources isn't listed. I've sourced one of the quotes in the article as an example of how it can be done. Anything done to show people where the facts they're reading are coming from will improve the article overall. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm Ok.... That's really quite clever.... I did not notice how to do, or even think of doing that sort of thing. I readily see your point.... In fact I can say I embrace it... Ok, that gives me serious food for thought.... I thank you.... J. Cornelius... March 13 2006
I read the article, and I think it seems ok. I know a bit about the "Q" and I have to agree with the article. The "Q" basically has a very bad reputation and is widely hyped among those that sell it or similar sex courses. There's really not a lot of good to be said about it. (From Dave)
I think the article was quite balanced. It's hard to come up with a neutral pint of view with a subject like this. It would be like trying to portray a villain in a good light, just to balance the article. It's well known that the Quodoushka is a money making scam. It may offer some good points but it's mostly just sex wrapped up in Psuedo-spiritual garbage. Leave the article as it is, I haven't seen any information anywhere else that contradicts the article.
- To say that the article is balanced, and then use a term like "villain" to describe the subject is internally inconsistent. Large portions of this article are obviously written from a hostile perspective and include unsubstantiated and verifiably hostile claims and accusations. I am personally familiar with the subject and the people involved and I have *never* seen anything approaching what is described here. Bearheart 19:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
With a name like 'Bearheart'you are seemingly one of those New Age shamanism type who truly believe all this nonsense about it Native Sex workshops etc. It's true not all "Q" sessions are as depicted, but I too know people who have experienced the types of things listed in the article.
[edit] Disputed assertion on tantra
The opening sentence in the section on "How it works" says:
"Exactly like Tantra, Chuluaqui-Quodoushka is a form of hypnosis".
As a traditional buddhist tantric practitioner I found this assertion inappropriate, indeed eye-popping. It does not suggest a NPOV for "Tantra" and certainly begs the question as to what is "hypnosis". From a buddhist perspective, everyday conventional awareness is a form of hypnosis. And Chuluaqui-Quodoushka does not seem anything like the tantra I know, let alone "exactly" like it. Perhaps "plastic tantra" or "new age tantra" is meant here? Geronimo20 01:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm That might be a more accurate way of putting it.
[edit] Added a new criticism section.
I know nothing personally about "Q" myself, as I tend to stay far away from anything "new age" mainly because I'm a hereditary practitioner of something which is often misrepresented and "plasticized" by "New Age" practitioners. However, despite my bias against the "New Age" I found the "Those in Favor" section to need a serious attitude adjustment. So I took everything from "Those in Favor" where the critical claims started and moved it to a criticism section, bulleted the critical points and added language that I hope is neutral. I did this in an attempt to add more neutrality in a way that won't upset either the critics or the proponents of "Q". Also, I'm going to say that I spent most of my childhood in Quallah, North Carolina (a so called "Cherokee Reservation") and this is the first I've ever heard of spiritual secret societies in the Cherokee tribe, outside of the Ahnikutani. Somehow I doubt the Ahnikutani were heavy into sex. Anyway, I hope my edit help contribute to the neutrality of the article. -- Lucy Blackwolf - July 23rd 2006
[edit] General Cleanup and Bringing up to Wiki Standards
What needs to happen is simply to cite the sources for some of the criticical *and* supportive claims in this article that are clearly POV. I've added in a few citations, but I know the others are out there. I think with a little work we can get the flags removed from this. --Kathryn NicDhàna 23:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
