Talk:Chuck Smith (pastor)

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[edit] Ray Comfort?

Because of Calvary Chapel, the increasingly popular ministry of Ray Comfort (founder and host of The Way of the Master television show and Living Waters Publications) was able to find a home in the United States from New Zealand. I removed the paragraph because it has no link to Chuck directly and because it is not substantiated. --Walter Görlitz 19:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

I heavily edited the article and also removed a number of factual errors. The article really needs to be rewritten. If someone wants to do this properly, I recommend the following as it is the only source I know of: http://www.calvarychapel.com/?show=Resources.ExtendedHistory . --Basar 03:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lonnie Frisbee

To tell the complete story of the early days of calvary chapel. One would be remiss if Lonnie Frisbee was not included. Chuck Smith at Lonnies funeral acknowleged Lonnie's importance in the movement back then. Chuck recently published a bible with his commentary dedicated in Lonnies memory. Chuck Smith Jr. acknowleged Lonnies key role in the movement in an interview by David D. Sabitino at www.lonniefrisbee.com Lonnie was written out of calvary's history when he left. The stigma of Lonnie dying of AIDS, and the hard feelings of Lonnie departure could have been the reason. Eitherway to be accurate and truthful about the calvary chapel movement and its genesis. Lonnie must be written back into its history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Researchgate (talk • contribs) 21:07, April 27, 2006.

Ya, I agree. How do you think we should go about doing this? Are there any references available? --Basar 05:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I knew Lonnie personally towards the last 3 years of his life. And some of my best friends have known him since the late 60's early 70's. So I can personally attest to the many discussions about calvary and the early days he ministered there. And even ministered with Lonnie in Fresno 2 years or so before he passed. Im also really good friends with Paul Cain as well. Chuck and Paul used to be close as well. So much so they even planted a bean field together in AZ and used to go fishing. Chuck first hand can attest to Pauls ministry of the prophetic and healing as being authentic. Hope that helps... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.135.190.165 (talk • contribs) .

Your personal experience with them is valuable, and you could be a valuable contributor to articles that need information about them; however, writing articles with information from your own experience isn't allowed by Wikipedia policy. This is done for the good of the encyclopedia to ensure it is accurate and fair. The summary of WP:V is this:

Information on Wikipedia must be reliable. Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed.

If you can find reputable and published sources that verify what you know about them, your contributions would be appreciated. Regarding Smith's relationship with people before he started Calvary Chapel, like Cain, Smith has written a book called Charisma vs. Charismania where he seems he denounces much of his Pentecostal background as well as the experiences he had then. You might be interested in reading it; it is a fairly interesting read. --Basar 02:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Any facts I have laid out can be verfied by going to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa yourself on a Sunday. Because after each service Chuck Smith goes outside and greets the people as they leave the service. So if you wish to take issue with me on these facts I encourage you to do so. And you can ask Chuck yourself, since your trying to apply the legalism aspects here at Wikipedia as your defense.

So having said that some of the facts I have cited can also be verifed by the documentary at www.lonniefrisbee.com

Chuck Smiths new bible commentary mentions Lonnie as one of the people he dedicated it too.

Here is my video that I have uploaded on the internet. Its not published and not professionally done. I wonder because according to your measuring rod it might not be good enough. But Chuck does honor Lonnie and calls Lonnie even his own "son". It was Lonnie who made it on the cover of Time magazine not Chuck. Which is evidence to Lonnie's visibility as one of this movments key leaders.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5904960697485300854

Here is another video of mine that I uploaded with Lonnie ministering at Tom Stipes church a Calvary Chapel.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6833129779160574833

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.127.183.45 (talk • contribs) .

Just trying to help you understand the way Wikipedia works. --Basar 18:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)