User talk:Christopher Sundita
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[edit] ¿Tienes ejemplos? Got examples?
¡Hola tocayo!
I have a question for you since I have a large interest in language contact phenomena on various levels. Unfortunately, I know next to nothing about Tagolog except that has massive borrowings from Spanish if not massive relexification. I'd like to use Tagalog as an example sometimes, esp. to avoid using Euro-on-Euro examples; however, I would like to find out your impressions first. So, if you're up for a chat and also want to know more about Montréal and Québec City, let me know! CJ Withers 06:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Super!
OK, here goes... Before reading the Tagalog article, I'd love to know how you, as a L1 speaker, view the "Spanish words" in Tagalog. Also, do Tagalog speakers (unilingual or multi-lingual) who don't know Spanish at all view the "Spanish words" as having a foreign origin? Also, it would be interesting to know if the borrowings were done by L1, L2 or both types of speakers. A relexification process in which the phonological framework of Tagalog was used seems to indicate an L2 borrowing; however, it could also have been non-hispanophone Tagolog speakers who recast L1 hispanophone Tagolog speakers' "hispanisms" or those by people whose mastery of Spanish was like an L1. My question seems confusing, but, again, I want to know if Tagalog could be a good example or a good counter-example. CJ Withers 07:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Excellent! Thank you SO MUCH, you hit the nail on the head. I started reading the Filipino vs. Tagalog article and totally understood, esp. about the purist part. You see, years ago, I had a course in Language Contact, but the professor was only interested in creoles and mixed languages; there was no mention of how English is a mixture and how Tagalog is too. In terms of how the vowels "e" and "o" were borrowed into Tagalog, they make Tagalog the poster child for how even phonemes can be borrowed, which my professor was reluctant to admit.
Also, in your opinion, how many fully bilingual Tagolog-Spanish speakers were there historically, say, around the turn of the 20th century? Was is also possible for ethnically Tagalogs to grow up only knowing Spanish except, say, to use Tagalog with servants? I'm thinking of how French was a main language for wealthy/prominent Russians who often only used Russian with Russian-speaking monolingual servants... CJ Withers 07:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again, esp. for the social aspects since we cannot remove the human part of human language! And, yeah, I completely saw the mess concerning Filipino vs. Tagalog. It made me think of the sociolinguistic situation of French here, which I will NOT get into right now. ;-) Btw, I reworked the article on Quebec French, though have yet to redo social aspect because it's touchy and the truth will scare people who only have preconceived notions or imaginings. CJ Withers 08:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Administratorship
You are invited to accept nomination for administratorship here.May you succeed.--Jondel 04:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for the messy nomination! I'm trying to clean it up.--Jondel 04:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Just dropped in to say that my oppose has nothing to do with your edit counts. It is just that I am not sure you have been able to keep up with the policy updates with so low interest in discussions. If it weren't so low and so centred (on WT:BABEL), I would have been pressed to support. Saw your contributions; you are an asset to Wikipedia. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, congrats on graduation. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I was about to say sorry for the 'plain' and simple, nothing fancy nomination. I was worried when I saw your oppositions. But 49 counts and still increasing!!! Nakakaingit ka pare! --Jondel 08:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I hope this RfA passes. It is descending into a popularity contest.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] FTB
First of all, second those congratulations on your graduation, will you go on to do a masters? Second of all, thank you _very much_ for your input over at ftb. Its always great to get input from a bilingual native speaker, and a linguist no less :) Thirdly, good luck on your RfA. - FrancisTyers · 09:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] adminship to de-adminship
Christopher, have you considered listing yourself at this category? A "campaign promise" to do so might assuage concerns that you're not experienced or knowledgeable enough about policy. btw, thanks for answering my question about page moves. Whatever you decide to do, good luck in your RfA!--Kchase02 T 00:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] License tagging for Image:Filipino People.gif
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[edit] Q&A
- 8. Why do you want to be an administrator?
- A Use of the company car.
This is the best answer I have seen for this question. BTW, you don't have Hindi as one of your user languages. Did you seek help to write hindi? Or did you use a translator? Regards, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Request for Adminship
| Congratulations! |
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| It is my great pleasure to inform you that your Request for Adminship has closed successfully and you are now an administrator! Useful Links: |
If you have questions, feel free to leave a talk page message for me or any other admin. Again, congratulations! Essjay (Talk) 05:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes - The right decision. All the best. Blnguyen | rant-line 05:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Congratulation! Have fun learning how to use them. If you need help give me a yell. Be good. FloNight talk 05:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Although I opposed you, congratulations from me too. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Congrats, Christopher! I really wanted to support during your RfA, but was told it's a bad idea to vote in someone else's during your own. :| I wish you luck in your admin career. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 06:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations!--Kchase T 07:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Yup congrats!!! Alphachimp talk 23:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well deserved! Congrats, and I'm sure you'll do a great job! -- Samir धर्म 23:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Ditto! RadioKirk (u|t|c) 23:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Congrats.--Jusjih 00:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- Squeak!... What's done is done - hope you use them well. Congrats and good luck. - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Congrats - sorry about the car. ViridaeTalk 03:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian (T, C, @) 03:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Congrats to the new multilingual admin! But did you really get a vote from only one Irish speaker, so you used the singular there? How sad... ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- Plural would have been go raibh maith agaibh (roughly ɡə rə ˈmaɪh əɡəv). Tole sint Hiberni... :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Shit, looks like I missed the party, anyway, congratulations from me too :) - FrancisTyers · 19:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations from me! huntersquid 23:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Your recent RFA
That was a funny joke about the company car :)
I am happy that your nomination passed successfully. Now your real test begins: Please be careful when you need to block. Sure, I want you to enjoy those functions, but know that every move will be scrutinized. Good luck. Mostly Rainy 01:48, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi! Regarding your RfA thank-you message: You shouldn't have capitalised "danke", just FYI. —Nightstallion (?) 11:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RfA Congrats Swap!
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Thanks for contributing to my successful RfA! | |
| To the people who have supported my request: I appreciate the show of confidence in me and I hope I live up to your expectations! To the people who opposed the request: I'm certainly not ignoring the constructive criticism and advice you've offered. I thank you as well! ♥! ~Kylu (u|t) 23:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC) |
- Thank you for the support on my RfA, and congrats again to you for yours! ^.^ ~Kylu (u|t) 23:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] You're invited :)
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[edit] User:Bubba ditto
Just a heads up -- this user, who you blocked before, is back. Catamorphism 23:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of Magsaysay awardees
Hello. I have been populating the above mentioned list since a few days and the list is now complete. I searched around for some wikipedians from Philippines and came to your page. I don't have much knowledge about Philippines or names used in that region. Could you have a look at all the names and check their spellings? There may be some people who already have articles on wikipedia but they still show as red links due to spelling mistakes that I may have made. Thanks. If you don't have much time, I will ask someone else. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick action. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 11:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ethnicities
Thanks for informing me. I’ll have my views posted once I’ve read through the arguments. –Lagalag 07:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Filipinos by Ethnic or National Origin
- There was no consensus to delete these categories. Why are you deleting them? Thanks Hmains 05:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- You are violating the process of the 'delete category discussion list'. Deleting by de-population is still deleting, just trying to get around the rules. I have asked that all your work be reverted.
Hmains 05:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- It is a fact that you ignored the content of the articles. The content (fact) of the articles governs what categories they belong in--not your personal ideas that are in conflict with the articles. You should know better than to have done these deletions and ignored all WP processes for fact determination. Thanks Hmains 21:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Copied from my talk page "I've already alerted the Filipino community here on WP on the best way to handle this. --Chris S. 21:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)"
Are you talking about 'ethnic Filipino editors on WP' or 'WP editors (regardless of ethnic or national origin) who are interested in Philippine topics'? Thanks Hmains 22:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- I did not write the content of these articles and have no resources to check the facts stated in the articles. I do not do WP article writing: I work on copyedits and on categories.
On the matter of categories, I go by what the text of the articles say. Thus, I respect the WP editing process under which many editors have contributed to the current article content. I do not look elsewhere for information and do not imagine that I have any better information than what is stated in the article. Thus, if an article says a person is a Filipino and was born of a Filipino mother and a Spanish father (or vise verse), then, to me, the article is properly categorized when it has been placed in Category:Spanish-Filipinos. Again, I did not generally add such categories in the first place, but would have done so based on the facts presented in the article and now defend the use of the category for the same reason.
When you say you have done all this research and, based on your research, the category should be deleted from the article, I find it very strange. If you have done such research, then the first thing to change is the text of the article. If you have found that the mother or father (as the case may be) of the Filipino was not, in fact, Spanish, but something else, then you should change the text of the article accordingly. You have not changed any of the text of the articles (for all other interested editors to evaluate), so it looks like you are just using your personal opinion to negate the efforts of all the previous editors of these articles. And that you are just doing mass category deletes with no particular examination of, or respect for, the articles' texts. Generalizations cannot be made: each article must be examined individually, as I did yesterday in re-adding most (not all) of the categories and adding discussion notes for editors to consider.
You may be right or you may be wrong in your assertions as to what categories are correct. I do not know. What I do know is that you are short-circuiting the entire WP article editing process to achieve the results you want to obtain.
I am sorry I have to write the above, but I am given no real choice in the matter and still do my job as a WP editor. I hope you will consider what I have written.
Thanks Hmains 04:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] admin right abuse
please obstain from abusing your admin rights. respect WP:DEL. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
your abuses are here:
- 17:44, 17 August 2006 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) moved Iloilo (province) to Iloilo (Back to Iloilo.) (revert)
- 17:44, 17 August 2006 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) deleted "Iloilo" (Deleted to make way for move.)
- 17:43, 17 August 2006 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) moved Talk:Iloilo to Talk:Iloilo (disambiguation) (Iloilo will be for the province.) (revert)
- 17:43, 17 August 2006 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) moved Iloilo to Iloilo (disambiguation) (Iloilo will be for the province.) (revert)
- 17:41, 17 August 2006 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) moved Pangasinan (province) to Pangasinan (rv move by Tobias Conradi) (revert)
- 17:41, 17 August 2006 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) deleted "Pangasinan" (Deleted to make way for move.)
- 17:38, 17 August 2006 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) moved Cebu (province) to Cebu (rv move by Tobias Conradi) (revert)
- 17:38, 17 August 2006 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) deleted "Cebu" (Deleted to make way for move.)
please revert the moves and undelete the stuff you deleted. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
with respect to [1] I ask you again not to abuse your admin rights. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
You are not allowed to use your admin rights in editing conflicts against another editor. Thanks for telling that you will not do this on the recent conflict with me anymore. You should not do this anywhere again. About the content itself: Me too I tried to find a good naming scheme. Maybe 50% of the PH provinces have conflicting names. The island of Cebu is much older and much more known e.g. to me than the province. So I would strongly favor having a dab there. This way we can better wipe out wrong links. All links to the dab pages should be reviewed. There are people in WP that fix links to dab pages. Putting the provinces to "X Province", "X (province)" or whatever forces the editors to be more precise. I agree that "X Province" maybe is not the best solution, "X (province)" may be better, because lot's of provinces do not need the dab. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
With respect to [2] and your preceding edits there, and with respect to your recent additional deletions I ask you to revert the deletions and stop abusing your admin rights. The input of other editors as you write, does not allow you to abuse your rights. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Masbatenyo/Bisakol
Christopher, I am unclear in looking at your original entry for Bisakol whether you meant the term to include Masbatenyo or not. On Google, I find a lot showing the term is used for the Warayan languages of southern Sorsogon, but nothing indicating it is used for Masbatenyo. I have a personal interest in this area, my wife and three children are from Legazpi City and one son's fiancee is from Masbate. Mike
Yes, Masbateño is considered a Bisakol language. Sorsoganon and Masbateño are very similar. --Chris S. 06:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Okay, what about this new term, Sorsoganon? Does it refer to both Sorsogon Masbate and Sorsogon Waray, as used by Ethnologue and Languages_of_the_Philippines? Should it be used in the Bisakol article? Mikenassau 23:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Help!?
Do you know an expert on Austronesian peoples and history, because this article seems to be POV ~ Prehistoric Malaysia 23prootie 09:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bikol languages
Sorry it's taken me a while to get around to this map... I just keep getting preoccupied with stuff. :p Consider this current image as a first draft. Are the colors alright? Should Tagalog and Hiligaynon and Cebuano have different shades of gray, and labels? Image size? Font size? Don't hesitate to make comments and suggestions and requests. :) Coffee 14:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Salut mon chum!
Chris, maudit tabarnouche! Comment ça ce fait que t'way t'appris l'joual?
Seriously, I'm an anglophone, and despite being born, raised and living my whole life in Quebec, my French and my Joual are embarrassingly bad. (I'm even ashamed too admit it, but what does "itou" mean when you said "Moé itou"? I'm guessing one of two things: "Me and you" (Moi et toi) or "Me too" (Moi aussi). Actually, my French isn't so bad, I'm pretty fluent, it's just that here in La Belle Province the standards are much higher to consider yourself fluent. If, for example I lived in Toronto my French would be considered perfect, even moreso in the US. Here though, I'm just another maudit tête carré!
Anyway, your userpage says you're from the Pacific Northwest. I'm assuming you're talking about the US, meaning you're from Oregon or Washington (no need to tell me where exactly, I respect privacy.) But if so, how did you ever pick up Joual? Did you ever live back east here in Quebec?
You must have an interesting story to tell. It would be great to hear it.
À la prochaine, mon chum! Loomis 23:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hey Chris, I got your message and I'll definitely check out the article. I should have written back earlier, buck I've had a tonne of things to do. It's a holiday for me now (but don't take that the wrong way, my people's holidays are FAR from "relaxing"!)
- En tous cas, j'espere que moé j'vais avoir du temp libre aussi tôt que possible, pour continuer d'echanger des idées sur l'Joual...à bientôt, mon chum! Loomis 23:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Luzon origin
I saw your question at the hispano forum. In old latin maps, Luzon is referred to as Luconia. There are for example shoals of Luconia. I think this would be a cognate of Ilokano.--Jondel 06:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kapampangan
Hi Chris,
My boyfriend is from Angeles City.
There is currently not a single book out there to learn Kapampangan, so I am in bad luck if I want to learn it. I have started a wikibook here to try and get people to help me write a textbook on Kapampangan. If you are fluent, please do not hesitate to help out! Cheers. Lgriot 08:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- Je suis impressionné par ton Français: probablement meilleur que le mien! Je vais faire un peu de travail sur le livre wikibooks:Kapampangan dans les mois qui viennent, je te ferai savoir quand il aura une taille raisonnable. Peut-être pourras-tu vérifier que je n'ai pas écrit de non-sens. Lgriot 17:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Italian
Ciao Christopher, sono Olando, sono italiano, parlo molto poco inglese, puoi aiutarmi con la pagina utente e con la wiki inglese. Capisci? Rispondimi --Olando 10:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Self-identification with ethnic group
Chris, I understand that self-identification with a particular ethnicity is important in determining whether a person’s article is to be placed under categories such as “Filipino-Americans” or “German-Filipinos”. This means that if an nth-generation German immigrant, who happens to be prominent enough to warrant an article in WP, does not identify with his German heritage (as has been quite common in the Philippines), he should not be placed under the “German-Filipinos” category.
However, what if his son—also well-known and with his own WP article—were to, unlike his father, identify himself firmly with his German heritage? Is the son to be placed under the “German-Filipinos” category while the father not? (The same goes with the Chinese-Filipino who no longer identifies himself with or has disowned his family’s Chinese heritage.) Of course this is all mostly hypothetical, but what if? —Lagalag 14:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- I know of no German-Filipino community either, and most of the Filipinos of significant German ancestry I personally know do not even speak German. However, many of them identify themselves individually as German-Filipino, or have consciously come to do so. Though we can’t force people to change their minds, this leads me to ask: is this wrong? That is, is it necessary for a wider N-Filipino community to exist before one can truly consider himself N-Filipino? —Lagalag 11:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- How these people can identify themselves as German-Filipinos, despite there (to my knowledge) being no organized German-Filipino associations, I cannot say. Perhaps it is identification as, rather than with. A lot of people do that, perhaps even in your country.
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- On Filipinos with multiple ancestries, I agree, it does get kind of ridiculous to refer to oneself as “X-Y-Z-A-Filipino”, or to even refer to other people as such (let alone create such categories for them), as was done it the case of Batista’s WP article, where at one point he was described as “Greek-Filipino-American” (or “Filipino-Greek-American”).
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- As for Spanish-Filipinos, I’ve been thinking about it, and I don’t think they necessarily have strong ties with one another, or that they form a community by themselves. The way I see it, all Filipino whites and mestizos regard themselves as members of one informal (but well-established) community, regardless of whether they’re Spanish, Italian, German, American, or whatever. I think it has more to do with having a shared mindest or worldview based on common experience (not necessarily experienced together) than with being wealthy, given that the Chinese are not regarded as part of this community, who anyway have an exclusive community of their own. —Lagalag 07:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Let's vote for Mariano Trias
Hey there Christopher Sundita! I would like to ask for your vote for the article of Mariano Trias in Wikipedia's Article Creation and Improvement Drive.
I believe that this article still needs a bit of clean-up and expansion. I hope you would vote for the article in this link.
Thanks a lot!!! ---- Kevin Ray 10:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Arnaiz and Aboitiz
Come to think of it, I based it on Arnaiz’s physical characteristics and his surname. I could have been mistaken after all. Either way, I’m removing him from the category.
As for the Aboitizes, they were described as a Basque family in the Basque diaspora article. —Lagalag 04:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please don't delete the "Euromalays" article
Why is my article "Euromalays" subjected to deletion? Did I write anything bias or offensive? Why is it subjected to such harsh treatment? I tried to put as much reference as I can. I just wanted to know why.
