Talk:Christian vegetarianism
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[edit] Sources?
Is this article about real, large enough group with sufficiently long history? Isn't it just artificial complement to other vegetarian articles? Pavel Vozenilek 20:49, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
- This, I imagine, is a general article from which the more specific articles can hang. Kingturtle 22:23, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
The story is two thousand years old. That is "sufficiently long." Das Baz 16:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Too wishy-washy
- It is thought by some Christian vegetarians that the movement away from vegetarianism began with Paul, and that they need to return to pre-Pauline early Christianity.
- There are also some Christian vegetarians who believe that the Christian principles of compassion and nonviolence require a vegetarian diet whether the original Christians were historically vegetarians or not. Some believe a vegan diet such as fruitarianism was the original diet of humankind in the form of Adam and Eve, and if we are ever to return to Eden then we will have to go back to a holistic diet.
- Yet others point out that the Christian mandate to feed the hungry can be fulfilled on a world-wide scale by adopting a vegetarian diet, since a carnivorous diet consumes and destroys too large a portion of the world's food resources.
Who are these "somes" and "others"? Can we get some names and citations please? Thanks, -Willmcw 21:40, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
- If we don't find out who these critics are, I'm going to remove the cited text. -Willmcw 20:13, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
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- Keith Akers, Stephen R. Kaufman, Nathan Braun, Leo Tolstoy, Ammon Hennacy, Christian anarchists and the Charismatics, for example --86.133.239.0 09:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
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- Great. Can we plug those names into the slots now filled by "some"s and "yet others"? That would make it more specific. -Willmcw 09:45, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
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- No problem, consider it done. --86.133.239.0 12:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
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- That's much better, thanks! -Willmcw 20:13, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] NPOV
A NPOV tag has been added by Spookfish. Explain/discuss please. --nirvana2013 16:18, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
- No reply received after 7 days. Removed NPOV tag. --nirvana2013 10:30, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Scripture
Some of the assertions in this article seems to contain very obvious conflicts with the common mainstream interpetations of certain New Testament verses -- for example, it would be extremely difficult to participate in a Passover feast at that time without eating some lamb (which was the main part of the feast, as mentioned in Luke 22:7), and Paul in Romans 14:2-3 says that vegetarianism is merely a personal preference, which should not be made a source of divisiveness within the Christian community. AnonMoos 23:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- According to the Gospel of the Hebrews, Jesus insisted that no lamb, or any other flesh, would be consumed at his Passover. Das Baz 18:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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- That's nice -- Luke 22:7 and Romans 14:2-3 are in the Bible as accepted by the vast majority of Christians, while the Gospel of the Hebrews isn't. AnonMoos 21:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
According to the Christian Vegetarian Association Paul was not referring to vegetarianism which was not an issue in those times, but to the practice of not eating meat from the meat market because of fear that it been sacrificed to an idol as was the custom in those days. Also, Jesus ate the Passover lamb as required by God's law. Other than that, meat eating was entirely discretionary. What people don't understand is that God only permitted meat eating with certain health related restrictions due to the ignorance of the people and their "craving" for meat. The vegan diet was the best and that was why He tried to establish it in the beginning. Genesis 1:29-31.
[edit] Vegetarianism and the flood?
Vegetarianim is clearly not commanded anywhere in the Bible, however has anyone heard this theory?
That before the flood the patriarchs did not eat meat, which accounted for their long life spans, (800 - 1000 years), and that after the flood God 'allowed' them to eat meat, which caused them to have much shorter lifespans.
I have heard and read this in different places. Anybody got a source? Terrible Tim 23:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I read about this idea in an issue of The Final Call, published by Louis Farrakhan. The article was a reprint of an article (or book page) by Elijah Muhammad, a leader of the Nation of Islam. Whether this idea originated with Elijah Muhammed I can't say. The Nation of Islam and The Final Call do advocate vegetarianism. williamaswensonjr 3 December 2006.
