Talk:Christian Death

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Please provide reviews of landmark early songs.

"Can someone seriously sort this page out so that everything is factual and not biased? I don't care if everyone loves Rozz, and I'm not a fierce Valor supporter (although the more Rozz-biased pages I see, the angrier I get), this is supposed to be an encyclopedia entry and should be objective, not subjective. Looking through the history of the page you can find some fascinating information such as the recording of "Sexy Death God" and some of the contributions of other people besides Rozz to the earlier albums, yet these are either deleted entirely so that Rozz is the main focus of the article rather than Christian Death (which this page is supposedly about) or amended to pour more derision upon Valor and everything Christian Death have done since Rozz left them. Oh, nowhere does it say the reasons behind Rozz not being on Atrocities... I think if someone leaves a band, the band are more than welcome to carry on without him without getting treated like a different band or getting stick from people for not splitting up entirely. That last sentence was an opinion by the way, don't put anything like that in the article. Cheers. Yours Truly, A Seeker of the Truth."

We seriously need something on the GOV warning on christiandeath.com in here whether prank/joke, or serious. i for one am curious.

I know there was some recent controversy in Europe about the cover of Valor's newest album. The GOV warning is probably a joke about that but I don't know for sure, so saying something would just be hearsay. Gabriel77 11:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

011001100110 Missing Rozz Williams albums:

Skeleton Kiss EP. (C) 1992 Cleopatra / Vision of Fire. This CD con6ains remixed versions of tracks featured on the Cleopatra CD "The Iron Mask". Track listing: 1. Spiritual Cramp-Sacrifice 2. Skeleton Kiss-Fright 3. Skeleton Kiss-Alternate Death 4. Resurrection-Sixth Communion (LIVE)

The Doll´s Theatre, live OCT. 31, 1981; released on 1994, (C) Vision Of Fire (P) Cleopatra; limited edition of 2500. Tracklisting: 1. Birth/Death 2. Cavity 3. Spiritual Cramp 4. Desperate Hell 5. Deathwish 6. Skeleton Kiss 7. Dream of Mother 8. Burnt Offerings 9. Resurrection 10. Figurative Theatre 11. Romeo´s Distress 12. Dogs.

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[edit] Reference

Is the song "Christina death" by the band "The 69 Eyes" a direct reference to this band? Maybe this should be added if anyone knows better than I do.

011001100110 I am sure It is a direct reference, as they have done before, as in the song Gothic Girl, they mentioned some Joy Division and Bauhaus trademarks (love will tear us apart, stigmatas, in a satyre of the gothic scene...

And, the GOV warning is an advice, and you sill notice that if yopu read it all, since no-one will be burned down these days, unless they are from Irak and attacked by Bush...

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hey: just sent you email to your myspace address. i have photos and info for you. i was guitar player in band ca.82?83? with James Mc, Rozz, etc. please contact me johnniejohnnie@gmail.com J.Sage

[edit] Some thing about the slant of the page is wrong.

As a factual basis for wikipedia is essential, some of the 'opinions' about "Valors" ChristianDeath are inherently Wrong. It should not be written as a with Rozz and Without Rozz viewpoint as this ignores the vocal talents of Gitane Demone also and that of Valor. The BAND christiandeath is itself an entity, much like other artistic music. You can argue about sammy hagar and david lee roth, but it is still van halen.

Also, the info jumps about a bit and has not been written for ease of reading. It ignores much of the Pompeii 99 timespan which essentially ended up as Christian Death.

The box on the right hand side is more like a eulogy to Mr Roger Painter ( a fact that he already has a place on wikipedia and those aspects should remain there, linked to ) than the reflection of the actual situation of ChristianDeath being fronted by Valor as it was right back in the Believers of the Unpure Video will atest. This was 1986, and it is clear to most people that claim that rozz fronted, when they saw them live that it wasn't true. Part of the confusion was the different personas present on stage(members + session musicians interchanging).

Years active 1979 - 1985, 1992 - 1995, needs to be updated 1979 - 2006 .........to reflect that they are ongoing and currently finishing off a new album, long time in the making admittedly due completely to the bands unhappiness with the way that the sound was going and the eventual complete rewrite of the material - the new website will be completed also shortly and will give new insights into the mammoth back catalog of works.

Current Members of the band certainly cannot be Rozz, given that it is widely known that he is dead. Currently, Valor + Maitri are definately members, a fact ignored on the page.

The LoverofSIN side project also caused confusion, but the european tour also confused many as LOS were appearing and then Maitri Singer of Lover Of Sin would play two sets, as bassplayer for christian death with Gian Pyres freshly brought in from Cradle Of Filth on lead guitar. Definately Gian's guitar style brought a distinctive, less gothic sound to ChristianDeath. Much more energy driven. But Lover of SIN also had Maitri's Hard Metal at its Heart with Guitarists from other metal bands and an awesome drummer left no doubts that this was an entirely different band, but even though the CD sales were good in the US, the christiandeath name appeared on it, limiting it as some lacklustre releases under chritiandeath featuring rozz williams name had damaged the brand to an extent as people were confused about whther it was a quality product released officially, (or record company eager for new material releasing poor demos, which the fans wanted, but first time buyers would find no value in, as actual albums).

Finally, whoever wrote the bulk of this needs a gentle introduction to facts and less opinion and hearsay. Wikipedia needs the facts, verifiable. Some of these are anecdotal at best and downright untruthful otherwise.

For instance, Valor did not IMMEDIATELY SEIZE all the Rozz Williams art on his death. I can confirm however that heroin did play a big role in a lot of rozz's final decisions. Unfortunately, the struggle cost him his life. This side of things, without Rozz's testimony should not be explored too deeply in here. Grief has caused much anger from close friends, christian death the band themselves and his family. Its a shame that Rozz could not be content and confident enough to have used his own name more prominantly without the legal wrangling which ended up as ChristianDeath featuring Rozz Williams - as the real christiandeath were touring venues in the states, mexico, japan and europe. This following a court decision allowing Valor to continue under that name as one of the original members.

The Web Site Warning.....someone asked, think about it, are any more sites featuring such warnings? I will ammend and add the appropriate information, so that fans can take on board the full extent of the Christian Death Artform, live and recorded, visual and auditory.

Thanks.

First of all, the warning is obviously a joke...

"Severe penalties will be imposed upon those persons intending to become involved with this

band and it's assiciate companies, fans, families, friends and unborn offspring.

Accusation of offences, with or without evidence and regardless of any connection,

whatsoever to any crime or illegal transgression shall be subject to:

A Maximum Penalty of Life imprisonment and torture or:

Burning at the stake."

"This website is forbidden to those persons under or over the age of 18."

Secondly, I agree that the article should also cover Christian Death without Rozz, although I'm a fan of Rozz and NOT of Valour. Valour has been using the name for years (although I believe he's wrong in doing so), and has released a lot of albums and has been touring, among other activity under the name...So Christian Death's existance without Rozz is infallible.

Rzrscm 13:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)