Talk:Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
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[edit] Continued abuse
I discovered irrefutable evidence that Diane Sellner was once again using sockpuppets in blatant violation of her ban from editing the Wikipedia. Essentially all the pro-CARM comments were from definite sockpuppets or meat puppets. The only account I am unsure about is "Interested Party", though even that account was engaging in trolling. Wikipedia policy when discovering that a user set up abusive sockpuppets to get around a ban is to remove all contributions by that sockpuppet. Instead, I archived the comments to /Archive 3. This includes comments made by people who are not sockpuppets, and perhaps includes comments made before the ban. As such, most, though not all, of the comments in Archive 3 should be ignored. It stuns me that this editor continues blatantly violating Wikipedia policy as well as attempting to misdirect other editors as to the nature of the statements made. That said, there is no evidence that Matt Slick is directly or indirectly involved in this abuse, only Diane Sellner. However, Sellner is a Vice President at CARM. Unfortunately, due to this chronic abuse, any future pro-CARM statements made here must be looked on with suspicion. This is sad as it makes it harder to achieve a neutral article. --Yamla 02:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Interested Party has been blocked indefinitely for trolling. An administrator previously determined this account was a sockpuppet of a known sockpuppet of Sellner's. Additionally, she has threatened that Sellner will continue to violate the ban placed on her account for her violation of WP:LEGAL by using abusive sockpuppets and meatpuppets. I will no longer have any tolerance for these continued attacks. --Yamla 01:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- You have my sympathy, Yamla. What has been displayed here in recent days is astounding. Their determined underhandedness - and taunting - has completely undermined their credibility for me. Perhaps once the merger is complete you can lock it up for a couple years. ZincOrbie 02:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Edited article
Included the updated numbers on forums and a bit more explanation to Ratcliff. He does admit trolling and tantalizing Christians on carm so included that info. It is sourced to his own words that are linked to the aarm chat boards that have still not been removed. Interested Party 04:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge draft
Reminder, there's work being done on a replacement for this article at Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry/Mergedraft. --Yamla 05:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I added my contribution to the article: I made half a dozen non-controversial improvements, but also added back the section about controversy on CARM's forums. It seems to me that the information is sourced, relevant, and notable in the context of the article, and there's no reason it shouldn't be there. --Hyperbole 05:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Is it notable that Slick has composed poems?
Upon discovering that the CARM website features a section devoted to Matt Slick's poems, I thought that this should be noted under the section of the wikipedia article devoted to Slick's writings. I was told that this is not notable, but am having difficulty seeing why it wouldn't be. What does everyone think?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hearsayheresy (talk • contribs) .
- An easy test of whether something is notable is to see if anyone has noted it. Have Slick's poems been published by unrelated publishers? Have they been reviewed or mentioned by poetry journals? Any other references to them? -Will Beback · † · 01:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
