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Contents 1 List of X-Men characters created by Claremont 2 Clash with Shooter 3 Works 4 Nationality

[edit] List of X-Men characters created by Claremont

I removed this rather pointless list: X-Men Characters Created by Chris Claremont -leigh (φθόγγος) 17:06, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Removed list again. Phthoggos is on target about its being pointless, since it doesn't distinguish between major, recurring and disposable characters. It's also thoroughly un-fact-checked, since it lists all sorts of "Captain Britain" characters as part of the X-Men group, includes conspicuous miscredits (e.g., Cockrum on the Brood, Multiple Man actually created by Peter David. Strong Guy ditto, and who knows what else. I don't have enough faith in somebody who misspells "Byrne" about 2 dozen times to take a list like this seriously.

Not that you should take me quite so seriously, after I reread this later on. Mindlock. Multiple Man created by Len Wein for Giant-Size FF4, not Peter David. Wein plotted, so he's writer-creator, Claremont scripted. Off base on Strong Guy; technically a Claremont creation as well. But the list is still not really solid -- it just assumes that character so-and-so is a Claremont/Artist X creation because they worked on the issue where the character first appeared. Not always the case. Caliban is a Claremont-Byrne creation; I don't know what Cockrum's input was. Claremont recycled him after an originally planned story line was scrubbed.

N. Caligon 22:50, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Do the characters have to be distinguished? This is only a list of them, we're not saying too much about them here. That can be added in later anyway. Anyway, sorry, you doubt me just because I copied and pasted "Byrne" with the wrong spelling by accident. There are "Captain Britain" characthers here because he created them (you're probably confused because Claremont didn't develop them as much as Alan Moore). And Cockrum did create the Brood. I know about Caliban's history, but practically speaking, for the version who appeared, it was Cockrum who created him, as Byrne's design is really something else. OmegaWikipedia2 01:22, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm not "confused" about the Captain Britain characters. I don't think they should be called "X-Men" characters; they were created and developed in a different title. As for Caliban, the fact that Cockrum redesigned the character doesn't mean he wasn't originally a Claremont/Byrne creation. Byrne discusses him at length in an interview, well before his first appearance. And that highlights a problems with a list like this: It assigns creative credit based entirely on first appearances. As a talking point, why is Madeleine Pryor credited as created in part by Paul Smith? Claremont writes a story and tells the artist to make her look just like Jean Grey. You might as well credit her to Claremont, Lee, and Kirby. N. Caligon 13:41, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There were tons of Captain Britan characters that aren't X-Men related, and I only included them if they've had some notable part in X-Men/Excalibur stories. Even if Caliban's original design wasn't used, I don't see what the problem is. The version of Caliban that was published is significantly different from the original. Are we going to credit all characters with ideas that never happened? Jack Kirby apparently was supposed to draw the original Spider Man, but they didn't like his design. So, should we credit him too along with Ditko then?

And I understand your concern, and I didn't make this list lightly. I know that the first appearance does not automatically mean the person created it. If you looked at this list, you'll see that Gambit is credited to the person who created him, not the first person who drew him. The artists I've listed along so far on this list are people who I'm pretty sure designed them. The ones that are blank are ones I'm still looking and researching. As for Madelyne, yeah she sort of looks like Jean. But someone had to create that design, and in her early appearances (besides red hair) they don't look that similar. And Claremont, I believe has talked about Paul Smith being her co creater too. Anyway, I hope this has answered your concerns, and I'd really like to move the list back to the main page. The list is still a work in progress. OmegaWikipedia 21:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clash with Shooter

Also Claremont was upset when Jim Shooter used Magneto as a conventional villain in the Secret Wars even though Claremont had been slowly rehabilitating the character.

I'm confused because in Secret Wars Magneto isn't used as a conventional villain - he becomes an independent element who aligns with the X-Men, leading to some tension between them and the Avengers/Fantastic Four. Is this really a code for fury that someone else was writing the characters? Timrollpickering 12:12, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Also, didn't the Beyonder put Magneto in the hero group? --DrBat 01:39, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it was Secret Wars. Wasn't there some comic book they did for famine relief? Secret Wars actually predates Magneto's trial, which is when he became the leader of the X-Men and New Mutants. Don't know about Secret Wars II, though...(DrZarkov 23:45, 5 December 2005 (UTC))

You're thinking of "Heroes for Hope", which is something else (and I think Claremont was one of the writers on it). And as for Secret Wars, it took place before X-Men #200 (the trial), but it took place after X-Men #150 (when Mags had the epiphany and started to redeem himself). Magneto was placed in the Heroes group by the Beyonder. If you go on Amazon.Com and search for Secret Wars, they have the first couple of pages, which include Magneto. --DrBat 19:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Are there any actual quotes of Claremont stating that he was upset with Shooter? Magneto was placed on the heroes side in the original Secret Wars, and Shooter was also the Ed-in-chief when Magneto was reformed in Uncanny X-men. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.20.204.98 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Works

Is it really necessary, or even accurately representative, to list both his works and then the TPB compilations of those works? It can be assumed that if Claremont wrote Dude Justice issues 1-16, then he also probably wrote the Dude Justice trade paperbacks vols 1, 2 and 3 which reprinted issues 1-16. It's a bit silly, a bit of a waste of space and definitely strikes as filler. 204.69.40.7 11:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, there is no consensus on the inclusion of reprint collections within comic book bibliographies. Personally, I am neutral on the matter. However, when they are included, I think that they ought to indicate which issues are being reprinted. --GentlemanGhost 20:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed most of them. The entire section is pretty silly anyway. Very few other people, writers, actors or artists, have a listing quite so complete of their works. Most folks just have a few high points. There's also the fact that an amazing number of the items listed were simply incorrect. Last I checked, Spider-Man: The Complete Frank Miller was written by uh, hmm... what's his name again? Oh yes, Alan Moore. Claremont's never had a run on The Pulse or Ultimate X-Men. It's just bizarre that so much crap snuck onto the list and lasted as long as it did. Makes a guy wonder how long it'd last if someone snuck Calvin & Hobbes, Transformers: the Movie, the screenplays for WWF Raw from 1997 to 1999 and Of Mice and Men in there. 24.62.27.66 02:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

It /is/ excessive - even Stan Lee's bibliography is a third the size of the one presented here. Ekchuah 15:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The list of works could be moved to a separate page. Iron Ghost 01:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Or like we do with most actors and authors, we could pare his bibliography down to highlights and important works. 204.69.40.7 11:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality

The article states that Claremont is American, but born in London. Does anyone knows when he emigrated/ took US Nationality? Indisciplined 19:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

As I remember, he was a military brat. So he was the son of an American serviceman born in London. I can say with almost absolute certainity this was mentioned in the forewards in X-Men Masterworks, but I can't quote chapter and verse...(DrZarkov 04:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC))