Talk:Childlover

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So basically this article is about people that like to have sex with children. They renamed it to sound cool while looking for dates at DisneyLand.

Directly below, you will find the chattering of pedophiles and those who despise them.

i understand the self identification argument, but "pedophile" is greek for "child lover" what about the japanse pirate lover peoples? by definition they are one in the same. someone should add something to explain this as the article stands its.....

We are not speaking Greek. A child lover is a specific type of pedophile, etymology has nothing to do with it. 24ip | lolol 02:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Uh, this article presents a very one sided opinion, it seems to be saying how wonderful these people are. Somebody should add an "opposing views" section. XYaAsehShalomX 20:28, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Sure, just make sure it isn't about opposition to "child sexual abuse." 24ip | lolol 20:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I love when biased folk put quotes around a legitimate concern. GreatGatsby 02:07, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Just what are you assuming I'm biased for? You're probably wrong. 24ip | lolol 18:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

...your user page says you're 'for' pedophilia. So, got the information straight from the horse's mouth, as it were. GreatGatsby 02:38, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm for pedophilia, I'm not for child sexual abuse. Don't misinterpret the horse. 24ip | lolol 18:36, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh awesome, one of those semantics people. So by your logic you support all mental disorders? It's ok for someone to be a nutjob as long as they haven't harmed anyone yet, right? Asking a pedophile never to abuse is a child is like asking a normal person (yes, NORMAL) to suppress their urges and never have sex in their whole lives. GreatGatsby 02:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

"So by your logic you support all mental disorders?"

Of course. I support anything which someone does not choose to be. If they haven't committed any crime, they don't deserve contempt, and I'm not just going to blindly hate everything society tells me to.

"It's ok for someone to be a nutjob as long as they haven't harmed anyone yet, right?"

Innocent until proven guilty. Or maybe that kind of complex logic doesn't work in your ever-assumptious world? Sorry.

And why are you trying to force your moral views on the rest of the world? Isn't "nutjob" a bit of an opinion? In your case, I suppose anyone who has a different idea of beauty is a nutjob, but my concept of a nutcase is a thought officer who feels someone's actions are irrelevant to their guilt.

"Asking a pedophile never to abuse is a child is like asking a normal person (yes, NORMAL) to suppress their urges and never have sex in their whole lives."

The intended point of your comment is contradicted by the thousands of pedophiles who realize the vehemently negative effect of adult/child sex and thus don't participate in it. 24ip | lolol 15:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Childlover are pedophiles, the problem is that some of them were sick that when people were talking about pedophiles in news and in common conversations the first idea to get through most people mind is "sick bastard/molester/raper" when they are most of the time caring a lot more about the child wealth than non pedophiles. (Dunge 07:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC))

I read the article a few times, and to me it seems like a pretty neutral article. It is very dictionary-like in nature, and doesn't to me seem like it warrants an NPOV banner at all. I move that we remove the NPOV banner. (CaladSigilon 02:29, 18 October 2005 (UTC))

Perhaps the article should be prefaced with (something like) the {{Controversial3}} template.

David Kernow 10:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree fully. It's a controversial subject, and should be treated as such, not as necessarily a POV issue. As a result, I have created the {{ContraSub}} template for this purpose, and applied it to this page. CaladSigilon 02:26, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

You all are a bunch of philistines. That includes the paedophiles trying to support their bulwark position, as well. I see here, nothing but sophistry on the part of the paedophiles, and sentimental, alarmist uproar by the uneducated adversaries, who are spouting their tired, deplorable (Jesuitical [offens]) rhetoric. Shame on you all.--Nimrodstar 04:15, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Why thank you for your insightful and helpful comments. It's wonderful to hear you comment on this issue. A few notes: Pedophiles is spelled 'p','e','d','o','p','h','i','l','e','s'. Since this entry refers to pedophiles several times, I would think you would not make this mistake (assuming, of course, you actually read the article.) Second of all, calling us all philistines is hardly an insult, and is only a mediocre racial slur as well. Also, how is sophistry a bad thing? Logic is very useful, my dear friend, and you should use it more often. And then you go on to say that the protest of child molestation is simply 'jesuitical [offens] (sic) rhetoric'? Shame on YOU sir, for both an argument that stands on its head, as well as the racist comments. CaladSigilon 23:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

"Sophistry" means a misleading argument. Paedophiles is the British spelling, and it's hardly incorrect. 24.224.153.40 23:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I'll quote from Webster in this case. "Sophistry: 1. The art or process of reasoning;logic." And paedophiles does not occur in any dictionary I have seen. CaladSigilon 21:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I think I'll quote from Webster too. "Sophistry: 2. The practice of a sophist; fallacious reasoning; reasoning sound in appearance only. "The juggle of sophistry consists, for the most part, in using a word in one sense in the premise, and in another sense in the conclusion." --Coleridge Syn: See Fallacy." Sophism was a school of rhetoric in ancient Greece criticized by Plato and Aristotle for diguising poor reasoning with pretty words, hence the present derogatory meaning of "sophistry". As for your "racial slur", "Philistine: 3. A person deficient in liberal culture and refinement; one without appreciation of the nobler aspirations and sentiments of humanity; one whose scope is limited to selfish and material interests." "Paedophile" is indeed British spelling (the kind used in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa and India). From the Oxford English dictionary: "paedophile (US pedophile) n. a person who is sexually attracted to children." Okay? --Zaxios 01:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I always thought Paedophile would be the correct spelling in this case. Wouldn't Pedophile just mean foot fetish or something? (Going on Ped meaning foot like in pedestrian or impediment) 69.212.241.67 15:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Everybody stop bickering, and lets leave up a NPOV article. Please.

[edit] Redirect

This article was unsourced and single-sided, so I redirected it to Pedophile, merging what little useful content there was to there, and providing a link in that article to the (much better-written and sourced) Childlove movement. The Land 10:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Good. Thanks for doing that. -Willmcw 17:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)