Talk:Childhood's End

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was it actually reverse race memory or had they visited before in the past? - Omegatron 01:49, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

From what I remember, it was a reverse race memory. See, realizing that humanity would die out, our last years would be horrific and violent... and the Overseers would be there, watching us. So, humanity 'learned' of Hell and Devils. -Scumbag

Contents 1 Star trek 2 Austrailia or africa 3 Are your sure it is Australia? 4 Continent Question 5 Childhood's End in other media 6 merge 7 bat wings?

[edit] Star trek

Hrm I seem to remember themes like this in startrek episodes though I cant weem to find them. The closest one I can find is Where_No_One_Has_Gone_Before_(TNG_episode) -Ravedave 04:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Journey's End (TNG episode) and The Chase (TNG episode) come to mind as possibilities. Tomer^talk 17:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Austrailia or africa

"One day, humanity's children start displaying telepathic and telekinetic abilities. These children soon become distant from their parents, and the Overlords quarantine all of them to the continent of Australia. " - I thought this was Africa. I don't have the book anymore can someone check for certain? -Ravedave 04:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are your sure it is Australia?

I live in Australia. I have not read the book in five years, so must do so to familiarise myself with it User: jslasher, to confirm that "the end" takes place on our continent.

Would suggest that someone expand the article to include mention that the current asking price for the screenplay, written by Howard Koch, is over ten-times that which was paid out to A C Clarke shortly after the novel was first optioned. J S Lasher.

[edit] Continent Question

I've been re-reading the book, and it states that the children were given a continent of their own, but so far I have not been able to determine if that continent is named. I always thought it was South America, but that's a third option that was listed. I'm going to keep checking. Wyldkardde

So far the page has listed Africa, S America, and Australia, so it might vary by revision of the book. If you do find it specifically listed please post your edition & pg #. -Ravedave

The continent is never named, but it is briefly described in Chapter 23 as appropriate for about 300 million people, and a place of isolation. Thus one can infer Australia although it's never stated (or important). Modus Vivendi 00:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Childhood's End in other media

Reading through this section, I notice a lot of "...Possibly inspired by..., May have been... Uncertain if... etc" It seems that unless a direct parellel can be drawn, or we have a source specifying that a piece of Media was inspired by this novel, it should be removed, in the interest of a more encyclopedic wiki.

For example, lets look at the Starcraft reference. The Overmind of the Zerg seems in no way related to that of the novel. If there is a likeness beyond name, I don't see it. The Overlords in Starcraft bear no resemblance beyond name to those in the novel. The Xel'naga actively participated in the evolution of the Zerg and Protoss, whereas the Overlords in the novel came to observe the ascendance of the Human race. Again, I don't see how the game draws from the book. The only thing vaguely similar is the emerging psionic abilities of humanity, but that is a theme common in alot of fiction so we can hardly place the inspiration here.

I'm not seeing how Starcraft draws anything from the novel. The same goes for several other entries in the section. I'd like some other opinions before someone goes through and deletes information though.--204.76.128.217 12:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

without saying anything about starcraft which i've never played -- i thought the overlords were here to kind of shephard us into our ascendance, make sure we don't kill ourselves in the meantime. that's not participating in the evolution itself, but they are more than observers. --dan 23:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] merge

i really think the karellen article should be merged in here with some major snipping. it is primarily made up of quotes detailing the plot, but not important to the character itself. i've been talking about this on Talk:Karellen as well. --dan 23:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

If you merge the article, you don’t have to snip it. The Wikipedia policy is simply to put the quotations in a “Wikiquote” icon. By the way, I only work on Wikipedia on Sundays. —Cesar Tort 23:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I support the merge. Besides, we don't really need long quotes when we have Wikiquote for that. --Kjoonlee 06:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

so that's 2 for and 1 against, so far. where is everyone? this is a good book, more people should stroll by! --dan 08:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Numbers are not insignifant, but IMHO reasons are vastly more important when it comes to wiki discussions. We don't have any good reasons why we need a separate article on Karellen, I think. --Kjoonlee 08:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

i've never done a merge, i have no idea how any of this works. --dan 23:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

When I originally wrote the Karellen article, I specifically tried to keep the information to the character in the book because I felt that the character was important enough to generate an article. Since I wrote it, this has become another Childhoods End article more than a character article. In it's current form, I agree, it should be merged, but in it's original form, it is a separate article and there are many articles for characters in books. Either merge it, or revert it and move the information that should be in the Childhood's End article there. Don't just leave it in it's current form. --Dan 19 September 2006

[edit] bat wings?

"The song "A Childlike Faith in Childhood's End" by Van der Graaf Generator was inspired by the novel (but no bat-wings for Peter Hammill)." does anyone know what that last bit means? it sounds like an inside joke but it could be refering to something i don't know about (since i don't know the band). --dan 19:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)