Talk:Chicano nationalism

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Recently, someone added several hidden messages into the article. For example, the first one reads, <!-- see comments below before you remove this tag-->. The place for such questions as "how do you quantify/qualify "rich culture"" is here on the talkpage, not where they are hidden from view. These are all issues that can be addressed, but the dialogue needs to be transparent so all involved parties and the general wiki-audience can be witnesses.

Also, someone else added a lot of information that is not derived from the source I used and did not cite their source. I suspect an agenda. If they are a genuine contributor, I ask that they provide a source for their information. If not, it will be removed. Thank you, --Rockero 01:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

rockero, i added the comments in the text because they were effective in other articles. i've seen too many instances of people removing tags without a good reason to do so. you're right i should have included some discussion in the talk page and i apologize for not doing so. do you disagree with any of the comments in the text? --danedouard00

Well, I suppose "rich culture" is not exactly quantifiable, but I was trying to provide some background on how the nationalist sentiment arose. Perhaps something like "a long tradition of contributions to the United States" is more in line? Some of your questions are difficult to answer. Such as who began to question whether integration was possible. The books don't give exact names. The Brown Berets were an early group, but they were feeding off sentiment that had long been present in places such as New Mexico. Did you ask for the citation about the discovery of Mexican-American history? The Chávez text is the source of the entire article, except for that which comes from primary sources such as the Plan de Aztlán, which, by the way, is the self-declared manifesto of the Chicano Movement. Perhaps this should be elucidated more clearly.

As far as "great strides toward assimilation" goes, generally assimilation is gauged in two ways: horizontally and vertically. Horizontal assimilation refers to the adoption of the cultural practices of the new country by colonized/immigrant individuals and families. Vertical assimilation refers to the acceptance of those individuals into the institutions of the host society, including educational, economic, and political institutions. The wiki article on cultural assimilation needs to be expanded to include this information, but it is quantifiable.

In the criticism section, I cannot vouch for any of the material beyond the second paragraph, as I did not write it. And even there, some people have taken liberties with what I have written. As I mentioned earlier, the lasst four paragraphs are highly suspect and probably ought to be removed.

I apologize if the original version of this article was unclear in any way. I sometimes forget just how little the average person tends to know about the Mexican American experience, and tend to take for granted that my word will be trusted.

I look forward to working with you to improve this article.--Rockero 06:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

"Chicano nationalism" is intricately tied to the (black) civil rights movement. I think the "background" section starts right by talking the UN GA and self determination, because it can be referenced (I added a note for that). As for the rest, if indeed that was the sentiment by most Mexican Americans, then it pamphlets, books, or articles by respected Mexican Americans at the time that have that sentiment need to be referenced. I think it's very appropriate to talk about the black civil rights movement as an inspiration to Mexican Americans of the time. danedouard00

I certainly think some of the rhetoric of Chicano nationalism was inspired by the 60's black civil rights movement. However, it would be a mistake to say that the movement itself was due entirely to the black civil rights movement inspiring Mexican Americans at the time due to the roots of Chicano nationalism going back as far as war of Mexico's independence and the aftermath of the Mexican-U.S. war. The black civil rights movement was also heavily inspired by the activist nature of unions in the 30's and various 60's activists. Maybe that needs to be included too. Mosquito-001 03:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)