Talk:Chastity belt
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[edit] Cleanup of External Links and criteria for external links
Okay, I've seen that someone has added an external link to a site with femdom chastity stories, and before we get into another edit war, it's time for us to establish the criteria that external links must meet in order to be posted here.
I propose the following: External links are considered reference sources and must have factual information. The factual content in an external link must be both original and authoritative enough to be used as a reference in any scholarly work dealing with this subject. zabadoh 09:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- By these criteria, I'm thinking that yourkeys.sufferware.com, locknkeep.com, lockmeup.com, chastitylifestyle.com, and femdomale.com should be removed. Now, I'm a big fan of most of the above sites, particularly of their forums, but they're just not authoritative enough for academic use. -- zabadoh 09:54, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- At the least, I would say that links should be informative (whether or not the site can be considered "authoritative") - so stories shouldn't be there.
- As to sites which offer information but are perhaps not authoritative, I guess the question is, can we find more authoritative sources for the information in this article?
- Also see Wikipedia:External links. I don't think an external link necessarily has to be authoritative - I think that's only the case if it's being used as a reference(?). Mdwh 21:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ad?
Is it just me, or does Choosing a chastity belt and Purchasing and wearing a chastity belt sound like an ad? --142.177.125.126 18:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- They both used to be under a section called "Precautions" which sounded even sillier. I think those sections document the concensus amongst the small, but dedicated, chastity belt wearing community. If it's not neutral enough for you, then feel free to come up with something else. zabadoh 19:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] External link wars
There seems to be continual reverting over the external links section of this article.
The main disputes seem to be:
1. Some prefer to exclude all links to commercial manufacturers' sites; others wish to keep them in. AnonMoos 00:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'd personally prefer to see links to current manufacturer's websites included, but GraemeL brought up a good point on my own talk page in that once we start including links to manufacturers' websites, everyone who makes one chastity belt will want a link on this page. And Wikipedia is not a yellow pages for advertising, so I completely understand where GraemeL is coming from. zabadoh 20:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
2. IP 66.27.70.252 wishes to put in a link to chastityweb.net, while everybody else who has expressed an opinion on the matter wants to keep it out.
Maybe we could develop some kind of consensus on this issue of what external links are worthy, instead of people continually coming along and undoing what past editors have done. AnonMoos 00:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- The main objections I have to chastityweb.net is that it does not have any original information on chastity belts, personal testimony, or any other information that might add to the reader's understanding and knowledge of chastity belts. I feel like adding my criticisms of the website itself, but those aren't relevant to this discussion. Zabadoh 7/31/2006
[edit] 66.27.70.252
Now 66.27.70.252 seems to be insisting that if her(?) site doesn't get in, none of the others should get in. AnonMoos 04:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Now, 66.27.70.252 is getting puerile. Thanks for starting this discussion BTW AnonMoos. Zabadoh 7/31/2006
[edit] Old discussions
Linking to external sites that are designed to appeal to prurient interests is not a very good idea since such sites frequently harvest the identities of viewers of their material and then sell their internet identities to spammers.
- It's a service, though. How many people with no prurient interest are going to look at entries where this is a problem, anyway? :) --Calieber
Well, if you like spam, try checking out a dozen sites on reproductive health... ;-)
Patrick0Moran 22:24, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- The first possible evidence of chastity belts can be found in medieval writings,
Is this referring to the 1180 poem? If so, it is very weak evidence; it doesn't actually mention chastity belts at all. The lady in the poem knots a chemise around her loins as a symbol of fidelity. Calling this evidence of the early existence of chastity belts is desperation. The other possibility is the occasional medieval reference to cingulum castitatis, but some researchers claim to have demonstrated that all such references are metaphorical.
- but most evidence for practical designs dates to the 16th century and later.
Some references to this evidence would be nice. All the other discussions I have seen offer just two pre-nineteenth century references, both of them dubious. These are the sketch in Bellifortis from 1405 (unknown if it represents a real device), and the anecdote from Pierre de Bourdeilles sometime in the mid-sixteenth century. De Bourdeilles is a story teller, not an historian, and his tale is humorous and somewhat unlikely. (It claims that a cunning smith made up chastity belts to put husbands off their guard, while he secretly kept skeleton keys and had his way with their wives.) Securiger 15:50, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Chastity belts and similar antisexual devices were used to prevent premarital sex in girls and young women and extramarital sex in married women.
This is unlikely (especially a prematital sex part), because chastity belt from iron cannot be weared for a long time, and stainless steel was invented only in 20th century. Also, I couldn't find any evidence for this claim. Neither I could find any evidence for involuntary usage of chastity belts before victorian times.
--62.219.175.34 02:25, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
64.12.117.6 made a very long addition yesterday; I'm moving it in here because it looked as if he/she intended it for discussion instead. --83.216.199.98
- If I'm adding to this page all is well. This is my first time here.
- A growing segment of the population engage in the wearing of chastity belts for recreational purposes. Even if the Man "wears the pants in the family" he might well wear one for two reasons, he might like it, and he will like the experience when he is finally released and has sex. It's then like eating something, a delicacy, something you don't get every day.
- Male chastity belts are more common, indications are the about 80% are sold for Men. Their Woman is usually the "keyholder" and the recipient of quite a bit of pleasure. The Man usually derives some of his pleasure specifically because he has been released from the temporary (hopefully) deprivation of any stimulation, including masturbation. This is not gender specific, Women can get a similar highening of effect through deprivation just as easily, it's just that less of them choose to do so.
- Viable, secure and comfortable chastity belts are available from Tollyboy and Neosteel and a few other companies. There might be aboout a dozen companies doing business worldwide. (2005)
- Most wearers derive some pleasure, or maybe comfort from wearing, and it is indeed illegal to put a chastity belt on someone against their wishes. While there are cases of chastity belt being used to thwart a divorce, or ensure the fidelity of a spouse, these cases are rare. In most countries you cannot force someone to wear a chastity belt without a contract, and even then you must remove it if they agree to lose the benifits accrued through the contract.
- Many myths exist. A Woman locked up for seven years in a primative belt, all metal and no padding is a bunch of hooey, who would do that to his Woman ? and with that lack of trust society would have collapsed. In the author's opinion only: It is alot more likely that these belts were made for all the female members of the family and hung underneath the dinner table in case the Visigoths or the Tartars showed up.
- This may well be the only Lawful and mundane (non-fetish) use of these belts. Parents would sometimes put their children into belts, in Western society this would land you in jail for child abuse. It happened decades ago and there is only one known modern case. A seventeen year old girl in Texas. Even she only aqcueised for money, to live a better style at college, to keep her own apartment and whatever else. How a court would rule on this remains to be seen.
- There can be problems. A Woman during menstruation is not having a good time but if that time is within their agreement she wears it. During that time it is suggested that you do not antagonize her nor leave her with your kids too long.
- A Man has a different set of problems. Your penis is trapped, locked up. The discomfort can be severe depending on the design of the belt. Also if a Man has an erection "trying" in the tube he might be unable to urinate. This can be a BIG problem, moreso if that tube is metal.
- Comfortable, secure and unobtrusive chastity belts are available right now. They require measurements, and money, about $1000 for the full blown one down to about $500 for a Chastitysteel, but that is not a true florentine belt.
- In a nutshell, if you enjoy sex more after a period when you were prevented from doing it (even like working alot, schedules etc.), you might enjoy this "fetish". If you purposely don't go get your favorite icecream, desert, or whatever for a while so you enjoy it more when you finally do get some, you might enjoy this.
- It's not a worldwide craze, but some people do enjoy it.
- There are resources on the web with information on exactly why anyone wants to do this.
