Talk:Charles VIII of Sweden

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Can someone make the infobox style match the succession box style? I tried for a bit and couldn't do that and float it... but my html isn't so great. Thanks gren 29 June 2005 22:45 (UTC)

[edit] Correct Name

Was this guy actually crowned as charles or Karl or what? Charles sounds to be suspiciously anglicised version of the name, especially as the article says he was called Karl something before becoming king. Surely the article should call him Karl if that was what people would have called him at the time. This issue affects a number of related articles where different versions of the names of different people are being used interchangeably. Can someone settle on one form (I would vote for the form actually used in the country concerned, assuming it can be written in this alphabet. Sandpiper 23:38, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Charles is the anglicization of Karl. Using Charles for him is no weirder than using it for Charles XII (who is most certainly always called that), using it for Charles III of Spain, and so forth. john k 01:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Charles is the anglicization of Karl. Using Charles for him is no weirder than using it for Charles XII (who is most certainly always called that), using it for Charles III of Spain, and so forth. john k 01:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, indeed, but what is the point of inventing a name which a person never used, and using that in an encyclopedia instead of his real name? Sandpiper 11:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Consistency with article on Christian I of Denmark

This article seems to have different details on the overlap period when Christian became king of sweden to those in the other article. (particularly who were regents/rebels) Sandpiper 01:34, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] naming convention- inconsistencies

I notice the article starts by mentioning Karl Knutsson (Bonde), the son of Knut (Tordsson) Bonde. Now, I am not familiar with this method of naming, but I take it the son is called Knutsson because he is son of Knut. My query is what about the brackets. Should they be around ....son, or Bonde (their family name?) The article should name people consistently. Sandpiper 12:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Family names were not commonly used in medieval Sweden and even within families which had one, they were not consistently used. Scholarly convention is to put these family names which were either not used consistently or not used at all until a later period in brackets, hence Karl Knutsson (Bonde) (family name used during the middle ages, but only by some members) or Jöns Bengtsson (Oxenstierna) (family name adopted only in the late 16th century). Karl Knutsson's father was usually known as Knut Bonde. The patronymic within brackets is in this case probably used in order to differentiate him from some relative also known as Knut Bonde. Tupsharru 12:39, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Scholarly convention here means genealogic convention, I guess. It is not clear to me that wikipedia should follow those. For instance, history textbooks do not write that way. // Habj 23:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)