Talk:Charles Ives

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Contents 1 Revise sentence 2 Request for references 3 Vandalism 4 Should this be in the Introduction? 5 Date of Yale entry? 6 The rest is silence 7 Influence of Dvorak 8 Low marks at Yale 9 His interest in popular reception 10 Maynard Solomon article

[edit] Revise sentence

The sentence "Although he is now best known for his instrumental music, he composed two string quartets and other works of chamber music" (found in the first paragraph of the second section) could use some revision. Chamber music is a type of instrumental music. Is "orchestral music" the intended phrase?

You're correct; I fixed it. Thanks! Antandrus 22:55, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Request for references

Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Part of that is to make sure articles cite their sources. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. Further reading is not the same thing as proper references. Further reading could list works about the topic that were not ever consulted by the page authors. If some of the works listed in the further reading section were used to add or check material in the article, please list them in a references section instead. The Fact and Reference Check Project has more information. Thank you, and please leave me a message when you have added a few references to the article. - Taxman 17:12, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Hey nerds, stop vandalizing.

[edit] Should this be in the Introduction?

Ives, who died in 1954 in New York City, left behind material for an unfinished Universe Symphony. Although there have been several attempts at completion, none has found its way into general performance.

This is certainly interesting information, but hardly introductory (the symphony, I mean; date and place of death are appropriate here). After this article passes its time as featured, I plan on editing this. JPB 15:52, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

No, I don't think it should be in the intro either; it's detail which is better covered elsewhere in the article, as indeed it is. Definitely feel free to edit it. Antandrus 18:00, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Date of Yale entry?

The Charles Ives article lists him born in 1874 and entering Yale in 1864. I'm a novice at Music History, but I don't think that could be right. Maybe it's 1894? -PSS

You are correct--he started at Yale in September 1894, and graduated in 1898. He only began studying with Parker seriously in 1896; it appears he only audited his courses for the first two years (that's not in the article... yet). Antandrus (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The rest is silence

Ives was virtually silent for the last 30 years of his life. Shouldn't there be some attempt to explain this?

I added a paragraph. The reason is not known for certain; there are lots of theories, but the story told by Harmony to John Kirkpatrick is pretty well known. Antandrus (talk) 04:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Influence of Dvorak

"The first symphony of 1898 was Ives’ graduation piece from Yale and is directly modelled on the spiritual godfather of all American symphonies, Dvorak’s New World which had been premiered just five years previously in New York. Although it sounds closer to Dvorak than it does to Ives’ own mature works it still contains many fascinating insights into the composer he was soon to become." - quoted form http://www.necgroup.co.uk/visitor/whatson/2005 Given the strong early influence of Dvorak, why is this not mentioned?

[edit] Low marks at Yale

If i'm not mistaken didn't Ives receive either an overall grade of F or similar failing grade in music, or was it low scores in just some music courses? If so, it would be interesting to include this in the article!

If I remember correctly, he had a C average in music coures and a D average for everything else. Though I can't recall a source for that. --Mahlered 08:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His interest in popular reception

I think this should be verified.

[edit] Maynard Solomon article

Why no mention of the Maynard Solomon contentions? It seems rather central to a modern understanding of Ives.