Talk:Characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
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[edit] Ganon and the Twilight King
Please stop speculating on whether Ganon is the Twilight King. 199.126.137.209 20:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Okay so really.... SPOILER
Gandorf is NOT the Twilight King. Zelda is one of the bosses or whatever you refer to it that Link must battle, she is possessed by Gandorf and fights very similar to Phantom Ganon.
[edit] Can we please add spoiler signs
Really, I was just looking at this page and I see all this stuff about Ganondorf that basically reveals the whole plot.
[edit] Light spirits and goddesses?
Could something be added as to how some of the light spirits are apparently named after the goddesses (Lanayru, Eldin, Fadon and Ordona)?
- I see it's been done now (and that I got Faron's name wrong; my excuse is that I haven't played the game myself).
[edit] Update and cleanup
This article is really bad. Considering the game has been out for eight days, I wouldn't expect everything to be in future tense and refering to trailers. I assume few people have tried to edit this page because most people haven't finished the game and they don't want to spoil it for themselves. I finished it Saturday, so I'll start cracking down even though my prose sucks.
- Done and done! I cleaned up the text, and added that invisitext. For future reference, the formatting is <!-- replace italics with your own words -->.--Zooba 18:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Zant's appearance
I am a bit confused about the appearance of the twilight king, primarily his helmet/face, is this a crown or helm of some sort or is he just in human with a monstrous facial appearance?
- SPOILERS: It's a helmet (with a retractable tongue). From the videos I've seen, you can see part of his face behind the tongue in an appearance early-ish, and just before his boss battle then his entire face is revealed (although it's still somewhat strange). The whole thing seems to be part of his armour and parts of it can be unfolded and hidden at will. (In addition, it might be interesting to add Zant's lunatic behaviour when you meet him as a boss, in contrast to his more serious depiction earlier - I haven't played the game, but possibly it's because Ganondorf's left him to return to Hyrule personally?)
[edit] Game guide information in the boss section
This shit seriously needs to stop. For those reading who don't know, Wikipedia is not a place for GameFAQs style information and strategy. The boss section is a piece of crap because all people add is in-depth strategy. Is there a way to add text only visible on the edit screen that would tell people not to do this? SixteenBitJorge 22:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks to Zooba for taking care of that. Now let's see if people actually listen. SixteenBitJorge 19:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
The boss section is looking much, much, better now. High fives to everyone who has helped clean that former atrocity up. SixteenBitJorge 21:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Zant...suicide?
It says in the section under Ganondorf that at the end of the game Zant actually commits suicide and as a result Ganondorf dies. Does he actually? I thought he died as a result of his lifeforce being attached to Ganondorf's when Link defeats him. Even so, if he actually comitted suicide, the game would probrably not be rated Teen, but Mature instead due to the disturbing theme. Can anyone confirm this?
- Haven't played the game, but I've seen an uploaded video of the ending. Zant snaps his own neck, jerking it sideways at an angle with a crunching noise (this happens in some kind of vision), and Ganondorf's eyes go white and his head jerks back right after.
- Yes, but before the "vision" of Zant, Ganondorf's Triforce of Power fades from his hand and the gash in his torso where the Master Sword is penetrated looses its glow and goes black. I believe that here he isn't dying, but losing his power instead as the Triforce leaves him. He is still alive, but since all of his power is gone, he no longer has the ability to keep Zant revived, and thus Zant dies. Since their lifeforces were still attached, Ganondorf dies in turn. Does that make sense?
It would make sense, but I don't think it should be written here. It's merely speculation after all. To me, it seemed like Zant just appeares as a kind of illusion for Ganondorf as he was dying, and basically saying "Screw you, now you're dead" by taunting Ganondorf and snapping his own neck. Throughout the game, Zant has shown that his body is extremely flexible, so snapping his neck sidewards would not necesserily have to kill him either. Again, I think it wa smore of a taunt. Both theories are simple speculation, so please just remove them both from here. Thanks.
[edit] Zant
Should there be a separate article for Zant? I say there should be, since we have one on Agahnim. PlatformerMastah 02:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Yup, I honestly think there should be one, I am thinking abput writing it myself. I just need a picture of Zant unmasked and I'll start :P
[edit] Queen Fairy
I think the Queen Fairy she have a small article on this page, after all she does play a larger role in this game than she did in previous games. Does anyone else agree? Tpganon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tpganon (talk • contribs) 20:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
- Yeah, man, go ahead and add it. There's an image on the Great Fairy page if you need it. SixteenBitJorge 21:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I just wrote it! What do you think? Oh, and how do you add images?--209.74.28.208 00:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ganondorf
I feel there are some knots in the storyline.
- "In essence, Ganondorf is the one behind all the events of Twilight Princess. After he was sealed away in the Dark World, the Seven Sages released him to await execution in Arbiter's Grounds, a prison in Gerudo Mesa. The Dark Lord was ritualy chained to a giant rock and impaled by a blade of light."
if the blade of light did not kill Ganondorf, why did the Master Sword kill him? the latter is also a blade of light (infused from the Sols), is it not? I think the blade of light mentioned in regards to the Arbiter's Grounds could very well be the Master Sword.
- "The Triforce of Power gave him power to survive execution and break free from the chains."
why did Ganondorf revive after the execution, but did not revive after Link kills him? where did the Triforce of Power possibly go? I am assuming Ganondorf still has the Triforce of Power. let's remember the Triforce on his hand can fade in and out, but never seems to go away. is there any evidence that Ganondorf is straight-out dead? if he was just plain dead, there would be no later (in the timeline) games with Ganondorf in them. I think Ganondorf never lost the Triforce, but only lost it's power. how the Master Sword made the Triforce stop working, and the blade of light used in the execution did not, is a big puzzler.
- "He slays a sage"
what exactly does slay mean? kill? weaken? make the sage need to be revived? and are these the sages of OoT, meaning Rauru or Saria could have been "slayed"? Scepia 05:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Because the Master Sword was made to repel and banish evil is why it could kill him. It's not the Master Sword that Ganondorf was impaled with by the Sages, as Ganndorf keeps that sword, and it's totally different in appearence to the Master Sword. And it is used by Ganondorf in the final battle, where both swords are present.
He was never killed, that's why. The Triforce protected him, but it couldn;t protect him from the Master Sword, for reasons mentioned above. And he must've died, as if you rememebr, Zant says that as long as Ganondorf is alive, he will live. Yet when the Triforce fades, Zant dies. Therefore, Ganondorf must've died. And remember, Ganon can be revied, like seen in the Oracle games etc...
Slay means he killed the Sage, which he did. However, these Sages were not the same as the ones from ocarina; after all, these ones seemed to be made of pure light, and only guard the Twilight Mirror and handle affairs with it, such as criminal basnishment.
Hope I have answered some of your questions. (61.91.191.6 13:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC))
- when Ganondorf was executed, how was that any different from his death by the Master Sword? your logic seems to be what happens in the series, but it is confusing. Scepia 00:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Look, there is nothing really confirmed, but there are a lot of possible reasons. First, it could be possible that the Light Master Sword was simply more powerful than the Sword used by the Sages to impale Ganondorf, and that's why he survived it. Second, maybe the first Light Sword attack was just able to weaken Ganondorf, as he called upon his triforce of power to survive. However, his white glowing wound has never healed, and that's what his weak point was. Impaling the scar again with the Master Sword, that was finally enough to beat Ganondorf. Third, it could be that the triforce of power was simply exhausted after the fight with Link. After all, it had to keep Ganondorf alive after his "execution", in his spirit Form in the twilight realm, it had to give him a new human body and it had to face off against another triforce wielder. After Ganondorf wa smortally wounded a second time, there simply wa snot enough power left to live on. And finally, maybe the power of the Sword depended on the power of the wielder. That would explain why the triforce-possessing hero of courage was able to slay Ganondorf, while the sages were not. Serpit
[edit] Um. Possibly unsourced statements/OR?
I'm not sure of this, but it seems like a lot of statements in this article are original research. The one that REALLY caught my attention was the statement that Hena is a descendant of the fisherman in OoT. Now, while it's entirely plausible that Nintendo would have such a detail as some sort of easter egg, it sounds more like the same theorizing that leads to the assumption that any given Zelda game is tied to all the others in a direct, chronological manner, which I've yet to hear an official statement for. So could we get some sources or get rid of some of this assumed information? -- Digital Watches! 02:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
