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[edit] NOTE

TXmaster and NSUBOY continue to vandalize this page by including non-sourced information pertaining to a boyfriend named "Chad Eagleton." TXmaster uploaded a picture on 2/17 in which he states that he is Chad Eagleton. These claims are most likely dubious attempts by the two users (who are probably actually the same person) to claim that they are dating Carrie Underwood. As none of their claims are sourced, I along with several other users continue to delete them. Neither user has stepped up to the challenge of providing a source for their claims. Please continue to delete their constant vandalism. Batman2005 23:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

If he inserts it one more time before too long, he'll be in violation of WP:3RR. I'll leave a message to that effect on his talk page. Hermione1980 00:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Good job, I also reported both users as vandals twice now, hopefully these users and their vandalism will be stopped. Batman2005 00:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, she did date someone named Chad Eagleton but has since broken-up with him ... it was in the September issue of Teen People. I wonder if she was disappointed by his apparent desperation to make everyone know that they were dating

[edit] VfD

This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Carrie Underwood. dbenbenn | talk 15:15, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if this page should be deleted per se, but it should have a "blurb" about Carrie Underwood and not just redirect to the "American Idol" page. 67.34.62.23 00:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Win prediction

Should it be noted that Simon Cowell after watching tonight's performance, predicted that she (Carrie Underwood) would "win the competition and sell more records than any other Idol".? -- Riffsyphon1024 02:12, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Um, I don't know. Cowell seems to say stuff like that about a lot of people after a particularly good performance. Last night, on the 12th, he was lukewarm about her performance. I think it could be added if she does, in fact, win. Just my $.02... — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:58, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed how last night, everything was topsy turvy. Carrie "sucked" at rocking and Constantine Maroulis actually was good. Utterly shocked. -- Riffsyphon1024 16:42, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
I think Simon Cowell told Carrie Underwood that "whether she won the show or not, that she would sell the most records." I'm hoping and praying all the time that Carrie wins the show, because in my opinion she is the best between all the contestants.--Gramaic 07:45, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] College

The article stated that Underwood was a student at the University of Central Oklahoma. An anon user changed that to Northeastern State University. Which is it? Was the change just vandalization or valid? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:58, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Not born in a hospital?

Do we have a source for this?

Here's a source that says, Carrie Underwood, was the very first American Idol contestant that was not born in a hospital.--Gramaic 03:28, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that article used Wikipedia as its reference (see the "Reference" link at the bottom; they often use Wikipedia as a source), so I'm not sure if it can be used as a citation for this fact. — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:19, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
lol. I feel a little embarrased. I didn't know that site used us as a source. My bad.--Gramaic 07:16, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
That would be kind of circular, wouldn't it... putting some "fact" here, letting sites like Juice News Daily cite us as a source when republishing it, then using them as a source to legitimize our use of the item ourselves. It's kind of how factoids and urban legends get established in the first place, with various people citing one another as the alleged fact reverberates all over the place, getting more popular all the time (whether it's actually true or not)... *Dan* 02:36, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
Don't feel bad. The only reason I know is because I came across the article when I was searching for articles to add to Wikipedia as a press source 2005. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:15, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bottom three info.

Clay Aiken was deleted from the part about the statement that says Carrie Underwood joins Kelly Clarkson and Clay Aiken by not going down to the bottom three. Is this edit okay, because the person who deleted Clay Aiken's name was the same person who committed vandalism here in the talk page. Whoever he or she is, deleted all the comments here in the talk page, but I reverted it.--Gramaic 01:40, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's okay, because Clay was never in the bottom three per se, he just didn't quite get enough votes in the last show. Unless anyone objects, I'm going to revert the edit today. Hermione1980 14:19, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Technically, isn't everybody in the "bottom three" once they're down to only three remaining finalists? *Dan* 02:38, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Well, she won.

HALLELUJAH

I think I speak for everybody when I say that it was expected that Carrie was the obvious winner, even Simon himself said that she would win. Tonight I'm the happiest person on earth. Carrie being the new American Idol, hey what more can you ask for? :-)

--Gramaic; big Carrie Underwood fan! 05:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Move to delete

This is not educational nor informative. It is a meaningless American TV show, and chews up precious Wikipedia space that could be used for more encyclopaedic topics...

I would disagree. It is an exceedingly popular show (given the fact that 5 billion votes were recorded this season) and such a pop-culture phenomenon should certainly be recorded in Wikipedia's annals.
So go create some "more encyclopaedic topics"... who's stopping you? *Dan* 23:50, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
If you have a problem with American Idol, place that article on WP:VFD. Carrie Underwood is (or shortly will be) notable in her own right as a successful music artist. Would you have Clay Aiken or Kelly Clarkson be deleted?
And do remember that Wikipedia is not paper. Hermione1980 00:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Delete Carrie Underwood??? Look anonymous user. You may think that this kind of article is not important, but that's just your POV. I and many others think that articles about Carrie Underwood and American Idol are very important and encyclopedic. So please, don't force your beliefs and point of view on others.--Gramaic 05:13, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I think this anon user may have just been try to rustle some feathers (s/he also said the American Idol article should be deleted). Notice this user didn't nominate it for deletion. I think they just wanted to see what kind of response the comment would evoke.
No, this article is not chewing "up precious Wikipedia space" any more than many more articles on topics which are much less notable. By the way, I think 500 million votes were recorded this season (roughly double the population of the United States). Still noteworthy, but not all that close to 5 billion. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:24, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
I just did some checking, and obviously this user has no idea what Wikipedia is all about. They also said that Spider-Man shouldn't be included in the 'pedia. They said that Wikipedia should be a cyber-Encyclopedia Brittanica. Excuse me, but Wikipedia is much better than EB and covers many more topics, and in more detail.
The only contributions this user made was to say that these three topics (American Idol, Carrie Underwood and Spider-Man) don't belong on Wikipedia. They also said that Wikipedia shouldn't allow so many people to edit articles. Hmm... doesn't sound like they get "wiki" at all. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:31, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
Just ignore it. Michael 23:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yodel?

Last night on the Tonight Show, she demonstrated that she is a proficient yodeller. I think this is interesting, but I don't know how to elegantly work it into the article. Anyone else want to take a crack at it? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:49, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] That's a terrible looking picture of her.....

Somebody needs to upload a better picture. Revolución 19:28, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Really? I thought it was pretty good. What's wrong with it?
Actually, a better question is whether or not we can legally use it. I suspect whoever uploaded just lifted it from one of the fan sites, without permission. Even if they did have permission, the fan site probably didn't have or obtain the image's copyright. So the image will probably need to be deleted because it is not GFDL or in the public domain. In fact, if you look at the bottom of the pic, it still has www.carrieunderwoodonline.com stamped on it!
Look at the image of Card in the Orson Scott Card article. That's a horrible photo, but the best copyright-free one we could get. — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:45, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

I got a better pic Batzarro 12:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carrie Underwood as a country singer.

Has anyone seen the exclusive CNN interview with the American Idol contestants and judges last night, with Ryan Seacrest substituting for Larry King? Anyway, on that show Carrie said that she was mostly going to stick with country music, and I was wondering does anyone think that we should add Category:Country musicians to the article?--Gramaic 06:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Probably not until after she releases an album. Just my $.02... — Frecklefoot | Talk 02:36, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
In that case, I'll remove the category, because I just added it to the article.--Gramaic 02:39, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vocal range

Can someone please WP:CITE a source for Ms. Underwood's vocal range? Hall Monitor 19:19, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Ha! Good luck. This is another weird WP-edit-battles-subculture. Wasted Time R 19:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
If no source can be cited supporting her vocal range, this piece of trivia should be removed in accordance with Wikipedia official policies. Do you agree? Hall Monitor 20:40, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Do a search for "vocal profile", you'll see there's literally dozens of articles with this section in them now. I remember that some of these come from some website somewhere that keeps track of this stuff. Others are done by WP editors sitting at a piano listening to records and trying to match notes. I guess that counts as the dreaded "original research". In my opinion, you're better off trying to fight some other battle than this one. Even if you take out some of these sections, others will put them right back in. Wasted Time R 20:50, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be nothing approaching a consistent, objective, rating of any singer's vocal range, judging from the many recent edits to that section in various singers' pages where the range is altered in what seems to be a random walk. *Dan* 00:34, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
The "Vocal Profile" subsection has been removed until an editor can WP:CITE a valid source. Hall Monitor 16:46, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vegetarian?

From the article:

She was voted as one of PETA's two 2005 "World's Sexiest Vegetarians".

Is this correct? Underwood is not a vegetarian, she simply doesn't eat beef because she might be eating one of her pets. I'm fairly certain she eats chicken, pork, fish, etc. which doesn't qualify her as a vegetarian by almost any definition. Can anyone shed any light on this? — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:45, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

I'm with you on this Frecklefoot, I've only heard her say that she doesn't eat beef, and never heard her say she doesn't eat meat. --Gramaic | Talk 20:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Yes, she is a vegetarian. Most of the ppl who have farms, are vegetarians. And she wouldn't lie!! I even saw the picture of her voted as the sexiest vegetarian!!

Carrie was filmed wearing a "V is for Vegetarian" tee shirt on Idol during one of the results show. She obviously considers herself a vegetarian and so does PETA.

[edit] Vocal profile

An anon user added this back in. I thought we deemed these unsuitable because they are POV and lacked sources. Am I right or am I thinking of something else? — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:35, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fan sites

Am I the only one, or do others think we should remove all the fan sites? It is strictly against Wikipedia standards to provide them. The standards say it might be okay to add one major fan site, be certainly not 8 as the article currently does. If she has an official fan site, I'd add that. But all the other ones should be ditched, IMHO. They are not encyclopedic. Anyone disagree? — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:13, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Junk 'em. Wasted Time R 16:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
It would make sense to have links to one or two of the most popular fan sites, but not a long list of them. If one of the sites has a "directory" section with links to other fan sites, that would be a good one to link to. *Dan* 17:57, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Linking to "the most popular" site would make sense, but how does one gauge that? Every one of them will claim to be the most popular. What do you use to gauge their popularity? Hits? Edits? Amount of content? If there is one official fan site, that'd be worth keeping (or a directory of fan sites). But since their doesn't seem to be one, I say nix 'em all. Anyone else? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:33, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think restricting links to "official" sites is necessarily a good policy in all cases; it's not the function of this site to provide access to just the "party line" of what the official management and marketing of some person/place/thing wants you to see; independent unofficial sources are useful, but require some degree of notability to link here. *Dan* 15:21, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm just stating Wikipedia policy here. If you want to change the policy, bring it up on the Village Pump. I still think they should all be nixed. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:53, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] question on tense

-I am kinda new to this wikipedia thing, but I was wondering how to change the tense of a statement in the Carrie Underwood section? It should read "is a member of Sigma Sigma Sigma" and not "was a member" because when you join sorority your membership is for life not just college. She has been featured in the sororities national magazine as a current member also. user:jadis96

Just click "Edit this page" (or whatever your skin says) and change it. Is that wiki or what? ;-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:47, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

My fan site CarrieNEWS.com lists all of the quality Carrie Underwood sites and actually includes CarrieUnderwoodOfficial.com in my directory on the home page. 71.106.233.137 05:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC) Rich January 8, 2006.

Congratulations. I'm sure that's a big achievement.The best...ever 08:29, 9 January 2006

[edit] Sex symbol

Apparently, 68.89.40.39 thinks Underwood is a sex symbol. While she certainly is attractive, I don't think that automatically makes her a sex symbol. She's usually portrayed as wholesome and sweet, not as a sexpot. Anyone else think she should be removed from the "sex symbol" category? — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:47, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

My first opinion is that Category:Sex symbols is far too subjective for the purpose of an encyclopedia. Since Wikipedia is supposed to be a source of information based on fact and not personal opinion, yes, this should be removed until at least two credible and independent sources can be provided which define her as one. Hall Monitor 20:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_June_20#Category:Sex_symbols for a related discussion. The category itself was narrowly kept in a recent CfD discussion due to a lack of consensus, partially because of the existence of Category:Gay icons. Hall Monitor 20:10, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Until someone can WP:CITE a proper source, I am removing this article from Category:Sex symbols. Hall Monitor 18:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] She's hot

I think she's hot. Also,shes sweet and sexy not a bad girl like Britney or Christina Aguilera.

How is what you (anonymously) think of her relevant to an encyclopedia article on her? *Dan T.* 11:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Even administrators were talking as to whether Jamie spears was hot on her talk page,so why not Carrie.

I agree...She is very hot!

[edit] Born in Muskogee, Oklahoma?

Is there a source for this statement? --Gramaic | Talk 05:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, according to her label's website (aristanashville.com), Carrie was born in Muskogee, Oklahoma, and not in Checotah, Oklahoma, as many media sources state. Go to: http://aristanashville.com/cu/bio.htm --ChicagoOkie 12:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Regards, --Gramaic | Talk 09:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] pic

I uploaded a better image of her Batzarro 12:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC) 3 cheers for me

"Better" is subjective. I liked the old one better. The new one has her looking goofy. Just MHO. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
It is somewhat better, I agree, but the caption is incorrect. That pic is from her "Today" show appearance, not her "winning the fourth season of American Idol" as stated. It keeps getting swtiched back to the incorrect caption. ChicagoOkie 19:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The other picture was better. --Gramaic | Talk 03:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charts attribution

I think we should add an external link to the specific billboard charts page so we can verify it easier every time someone changes it on Wikipedia. --Kpwa gok

[edit] Listing of singles

Listing singles twice seems to be part of the classification scheme: classify by albums, and classify by singles. Seems natural to list the singles within the album section. --MegaHasher 17:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Platinum information on the singles are gone. -MegaHasher 05:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

A chart position of 117 is non-existent. Billboard's chart only goes up to 100 spots. A song Bubbling Under at #17 is not necessarily chart song 117 because a song that hasn't gone recurrent could theoretically drop off from, say, #95 down to #102. That song would not be listed on the Bubbling Under chart because it already charted, but it would still be ahead of Bubbling Under #17 even though it can't be seen. Therefore any chart position outside of the top 100 should not be listed and should be removed. 15:59, 24 August 2006 (Dave)

[edit] AI Performances

Is it REALLY all that important to name every single song that she performed on AI? During the competition that might have been useful - but she is really way past that now. Michigan user 18:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we could put this in a seperate article? Something like...American Idol Performances by Carrie Underwood?? -- Tvaughn05e (Talk)(Contribs) 00:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
The performances information is often useful — it's the last look you get at an artist's range of taste and abilities before they get pigeonholed by the music industry into a small box.205.188.117.11 04:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism regarding current boyfriend.

As there are NO reputable sources stating that she is dating this "Chad" guy, it should not be included here. Additionally, the photograph of the two may be included, but shouldn't be captioned as "Carrie with boyfriend Chad Eagleton" until a reputable source can be found. I get a sneaky feeling that "Chad Eagleton" is actually the user who continuously posts the vandalism. If it keeps being posted without proper soure material, i'll report it as vandalism and the user as a vandal. Batman2005 05:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Using celebrity pictures without permission too, I might add. -MegaHasher 23:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I just googled "carrie underwood" AND "chad eagleton" and got 5 hits, 2 of which are duplicate/similar. This claim is a bunch of baloney/vandalism and should be treated accordingly. Hermione1980 00:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

All sources ARE verifed in regards to the personal life section. This information was published in Oklahoma Today Newspaper. Those that are editing this section just dont want this information publish. All of which is public knowledge.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.200.116.136 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC).
Please remember that this is an encyclopedia, and an aggregate of verifiable information, not a random collection of gossip. Feel free to provide a link to any sort of actual evidence. — TheKMantalk 05:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, I have done a google search for ANYTHING relating to Carrie Underwood and Chad Eagleton, as well as search of the Oklahoma Today website and found no verifying information. I think we should face the facts that Mia2007, NSUBOY, TXmaster and the non-registered IP user who adds the information is himself Chad Eagleton, who was fortunate enough to snap a picture with Carrie Underwood, and claims to be her boyfriend. I also find it interesting that after TXmaster and NSUBOY were blocked from editing, Mia2007 pops up as well as this IP address which resolves to somewhere in Oklahoma start to pop up claiming the same information. Pathetic I tell you. Batman2005 05:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I just removed the vandalism myself. Apparently this user has changed the "boyfriend's" name from Chad Eagleton to Drake Clark. --Gramaic | Talk 04:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the Drake Clark stuff appears to be valid, as a google search talks about them dating at one time or another. I'm of the opinion that a celebrities personal life isn't encyclopedic at all unless they are married, or there is some notable instance in which the celebrities relationship becomes public. Batman2005 04:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I think we should just totally leave out this boyfriend thing. When it is confirmed, then it is ready to be in an encyclopedia. unless you want to point out that her boyfriend is me. =) </small) -- Tvaughn05e (Talk)(Contribs) 23:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, not that I care at all, but I'm damn sure she dated Mr. Clark while a student at NSU and I'm pretty damn sure she is, or recently was, dating Mr. Eagleton.Kpwa gok 00:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
  • What is suspect is that the user who uploaded the photo and added the information claimed to be "Chad Eagleton" yet was able to provide no sourced proof to his claims of dating her. Furthermore there is a magazine article out there, and for the life of me i can't remember at the moment which one it was, where she said that she wasn't dating anyone and hasn't even had time to think about that kind of stuff. Batman2005 04:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

The following users consistently vandalise this page with the same information. They are probably sockpuppets of eachother TXmaster, NSUBOY, Mia2007, and Memo2009. I'm protecting until admins can figure out how to deal with this continued vandalism. Batman2005 21:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

"Chad" is back, so I protected the page again. -MegaHasher 03:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Next single

"Before He Cheats" is not a single yet. "Don't Forget To Remember Me" will be a single in a week time. -MegaHasher 23:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carrie Images

Only usable images of Carrie Underwood will probably be publicity photos. Any digitized photos from the TV are likely to be copyright violations. -MegaHasher 03:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox musical artist

If you don't like the colors, take it up with the WikiProject starter. The salmon symbolizes a solo artist and the red symbolizes country music. --User:Carie 16:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Similar Artists

Uh...isn't this an inherently POV section of the article? Clearly if you think she's similar to Martina McBride, or Tanya Tucker, or whoever....it's your OPINION, not encyclopedic fact. What are we basing this on? Musical Genre? Hair Color? Eye Color? those would all be verifiable at least. But anything else is pure opinion and should not be included. Batman2005 22:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Your comment is better directed to User talk:Bmearns/musical artists wikiproject. Wasted Time R 22:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I was about to move it there as well actually. Thanks! Batman2005 23:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Individual Performance Listing

I can almost see listing each and every song that was sung on AI during the competition - because AI seems to be a hugely notable passtime in America. However - we are now a year after the fact - and this detailed song performance listing is still here. It is not on any other AI alumni page. Unless someone comes back with a good reason for keeping this level of detail in this article - I will remove it in a few days. -- Triage 17:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see it go. I thought it was a valuable source of information. I'm into marking the anniversaries of song performances (not just with Carrie, but other artists/songs as well) and I often hit this site to refer to that listing. I'd like to see it listed somewhere. If not on the Carrie page, then maybe on an AI page. --Rob 11:07, 5 April 2006

It's been relocated to the American Idol (Season 4) article. Wasted Time R 15:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RIAA Certification

While I know that it is exciting that Carrie is approaching the 3 million sales mark, in fact her label has not yet applied for formal certification. Then after that it takes 30 days for the audit to happen. Then, if everything is in order - they will update the RIAA database with the certification information http://www.riaa.com - but for right now - Carrie is only 2X certified:

Artist Title Cert. Date Label Award Desc. Format Category Type

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE INSIDE YOUR HEAVEN 07/26/05 RCA G SINGLE SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE INSIDE YOUR HEAVEN 11/18/05 RCA G SINGLE SOLO Dig

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 12/09/05 ARISTA P ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 12/09/05 ARISTA G ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 01/06/06 ARISTA M (2) ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL 01 -- 66.82.9.70 15:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


According to both CMT and GACTV, Underwood's album has been certified triple platinum. This happened a few days ago. Link to CMT's article: http://www.cmt.com/news/articles/1527924/04052006/underwood__carrie.jhtml ChicagoOkie 07:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

That is just PR Spin. RIAA says that it is not yet a fact. It is inaccurate to report that RIAA has certified something when in fact they have not. In fact it is not possible that the certification has happened yet because the sales did not reach that level until the last week or so, and it takes TIME to really make it happen. When the RIAA database SAYS that it is 3X certified than you can mark it. -- 69.19.14.37 10:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Carrie is NOT yet 3x platinum, and neither is Clay Aiken. Look it up for yourselfs. That is why the Aiken article still says 2x platinum. --Triage 21:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
As of today Carries sales are 2,548,848 plus Hdd's count of 42,206 which is about 2,591,000. I would expect that RCA has requested a sales audit from the RIAA for Carrie, because they are very close to selling the 3 million at the rate of her current sales. But is still takes time for it to happen. It has not happened yet. http://www.riaa.com -- Triage 21:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
So I am guessing that this IP address does not know how to check the Talk page. -- Michigan user 16:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • To the enthusiastic Carrie fans: Yes - RCA had a 3x party reported by CMT.com. NO the RIAA has not yet granted the certification. RCA is just jumping the gun a bit for PR reasons. There are plenty of articles out there that talk about Clay Aiken's CD being 3x, so it is sourced, and he is a heck of a lot closer to 3 million on Soundscan than Carrie - but according to the RIAA it is just not TRUE. And it is not yet true for Carrie either. Give it a month or two and perhaps it WILL be true. After all Carrie is selling much more than Aiken each week. But for now - to say the RIAA h as certified it (when it has not) is a lie. -- 66.82.9.70 23:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • The fact is that the CD can not be certified until RCA has sold 3,000,000 to distributors (shipped 3 Million) that CAN NOT BE RETURNED. That is the problem. Right now there are about 400,000 CDs that could potentially be returned from stores. So RCA is just anticipating that those shipped CDs will in fact be sold. The RIAA waits until it is a fact before it really grants the certificate. Note the Carrie still appears as 2x on the Billboard charts. -- 66.82.9.70 23:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you put in a paragraph that says something like "RCA is celerating the upcoming 3x Platinum certification of Carries Album (with your source)". Then you get the message across without saying that the RIAA has certified something that they clearly say they have not. --69.19.14.38 16:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
It's not Wikipedia's job to document celebrations at record companies. Wasted Time R 16:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it is better than incorrectly stating that the RIAA has certified something that they have not, but I see your point. -- 66.82.9.62 23:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Billboard now shows on its site that Carrie is 3x platinum. RIAA, on the other hand, still has Carrie listed as 2x platinum. The two organizations don't always state the same thing like you were trying to say. Regardless, the RIAA information is the information that matters.ChicagoOkie 09:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes - well the ARTICLE says that the RIAA has certified her 3x. When the RIAA says they have done that - then the article can change - until then leave it at 2x. If you want to ramble on about Billboard already talking about 3x make sure it is clear that it is a BILLBOARD reference - not an RIAA reference. -- 69.19.14.43 10:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Did I change it? No. Did I say that the RIAA information was the information that matters? Yes. Please quit playing RIAA Police with me and read what I have posted before telling me I'm free to ramble under your terms. ChicagoOkie 19:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Who was talking to YOU?? I was talking to the person who changed the article. They had an entire comment in there that I was responding to. Sorry that I did not repeat it to clarify things. -- 66.82.9.56 02:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carrie

Good heavens that girl is cute. Sorry - just had to say that. -- BearG 00:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chad the Vandal is back

well, after quite awhile, Chad Eagleton is back to posting his immature dreams about dating Carrie Underwood. I find is hilarious that this guy keeps trying to get away with it...you'll notice that first it was the Maxim After Party, now its the Billboard Awards Party. Loser. Please delete this obvious crap if you see it. Batman2005 23:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Artist

I just want to say that she also sings Christian music as is made obvious in her song called "Jesus, Take the Wheel". This should be noted in the article. --PaladinWriter 20:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Why? Christian Music is most often used to refer to those artists who release entire Christian albums or specifically cater their music to the christian crowd. "Jesus Take the Wheel" is a country song and is labeled as such on her album and should be labeled as such here. Batman2005 20:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

While I agree that she is not considered a solely Christian artist, surely there must be some source speaking about her faith? I know I've read about/heard her talk about her faith before...that belongs in this article, especially since its influence can be so easily seen in her music. 24.59.126.152 22:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

If she talks about her faith in an interview, or something that can be reputably cited, then it should be included. But saying that because of a certain song she is of a certain faith is original research. I could sing a song about baked beans, but that doesn't mean I like to eat them. Batman2005 18:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean Up

I cleaned up the article somewhat to Wikipedia's good article criteria (with guidance from Kelly Clarkson, Clay Aiken, & Taylor Hicks articles). If you find crucial information that was deleted but should be reinserted, be sure to place it under a section that relates to the fact. Thanks. User:Arual 23:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Anti-Kelly Clarkson

I don't think that a necessary title for Carrie. It's not a fact, and I have never heard anyone call Carrie the Anti-Kelly Clarkson. It should be deleted.

[edit] "Before He Cheats" was not the 100th #1

"Before He Cheats" was not the 100th #1 from an "American Idol" alum. The 100th #1 belongs to Kelly Clarkson, so I'm removing that statement from Carrie's page. See subhead "'BEFORE' AND AFTERMATH" at http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart_beat/bonus.jsp ChicagoOkie 21:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Awards table layout is screwed up

I don't know how to fix it, but it looks like someone broke the layout a few days ago

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