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[edit] possible copyvio

The bio seems like it was largely lifted from her own personal website. SchnappM 13:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carol Kaye's occupation

Carol Kaye has never referred to herself as a bass guitarist and refers to the instrument as an electric bass. I think wikipedia should respect that in an article on this prominent bassist. Also, start a category - "electric bassists" and get rid of "category - bass guitarists". Ozbass 13:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Controversial claims

I deleted some of the controversial claims at the end. Controversial claims should have a prominent, reputable source (see Wikipedia:Cite your sources). David.Monniaux 00:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Anyone got a pic of Carol (copyright free) ?--Light current 02:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This is not very good

If she has recorded with hundreds of artists and had a bunch of hits, please name ANY. There is nothing on this page that tells me what work she has recorded. This means she's just a name, on a page, that foolishy has wasted some valuable space in my memory.

Please do not delete posts from talk pages This is considered vandalism!

So you wanna know what she recorded? OK
  • Little green apples (OC Smith)
  • I dont need no doctor (Ray Charles)
  • Peace of mind (nancy Wilson)
  • Out of this world (Nancy Wilson)
  • Happy Together (Mel Torme)
  • Boots (Nancy Sinatra)
  • Back in my arms (Supremes) prob J.Jamerson
  • Out of my head (The Lettermen)
  • Good Vibrations (Beach Boys)
  • If I could build my whole world (Marvin Gye + Tammi Terrell)
  • Wichita Lineman (Glen Campbell)
  • I chose to sing the blues (Ray Charles)
  • You made me so very happy (Brenda Holloway)
  • Dont change on me (Ray Charles)
  • Understanding (Ray Charles)
  • I was made to love her (Beach boys)
  • Fell so bad (Ray Charles)
  • Willie (Mel torme)
  • Feeling Alright (Joe Cocker)
  • When I die (THe Motherlode)
  • Come together (Count Basie- overdubbed)
  • Hicky Burr (Bill Cosby)
  • Games people play (Mel Torme).....
Enough??

--Light current 02:30, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

THere seems to be some contention about which of these tunes Carol actually played on. I think the following link spaeks for itself.[1]--Light current 02:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


I can tell you right now, Carol Kaye did not record Stevie Wonder's "I was Made to Love Her". I have removed two false listed recordings, the others are fine, but dont rip songs 'she' said she recorded, do the research before cutting and pasting names off her website. Visit Motown sources, or whatever. James Jamerson shall no longer be denied what he deserves; Respect.

This info is published in Carols book Electric Bass Lines No4 (14 of Carols Hit record basslines) Publ.by Gwyn Publishing Company 1971. As such, it is referenced and can be included whether 'true' or not. Refer to WP policy on verifiability v 'truth'. If you disgaree with them referencing Carols playing (Ie youre saying the published info is untrue) then write to Gwyn Publishing.
Also please sign your posts by typing 4 tildes (~~~~)--Light current 06:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The book you say was written by Carol, therefore you can't use that as a source; seeing that she could of said anything in her own book. The only person that claims she recorded that is her and you. Im thinking of putting that I played bass on that record. Believe me, why would I lie?

Any reputable published source is valid on WP. Please do not be insulting/offensive by calling me a fool/ This is trolling--Light current 23:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

read 'Motown: The View from the Bottom' by Jack Ashford. He recorded the song with the Funk Brothers for Motow. I will never let Carol Kaye take credit for things that she did not do. I don't care about what she wrote or aid, and I don't care what you write or say. If you put false info back on this page I will remove it indefinitly.

Then you will be ,banned, blocked for vandalism!--Light current 23:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I mean really, can you tell me what to do? I think not. I will protect the people that you don't care about. You just spit up whatever you want with the shield of wiki. Give me a break, you dont scare me with your pathetic threats. You need to stop infecting pages with mis-info, and another thing....oh wait that was it.

All users must abide by the rules of the Wiki! You have yet to learn that--Light current 23:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Did you know that your info you keep placing on this page, is totally going against what is in another wiki page, read (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Jamerson); so what about this, is wiki going to total hell or what...please tell me.

Make your comments about that page there (if you can). Goodbye!--Light current 23:58, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

You need a new hobby! Also you have no power, leave me alone, as I will continue to protect the truth.

The Wiki community has the power. Thats all that needed.--Light current 00:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

you are still talking? You have no power, that is all I said. I am doing nothing but protecting the truth. I am everyone, I am everywhere. Try what you want, do what you can, but dont fu*king talk to me like your better than me. and good luck banning me(for what again, removing false statments?). I dont even care, since IM AT THE LIBRARY.

The wiki is superior to all! Goodbye! Dont come back! (until you learn to be civil)--Light current 00:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Get over it, you don't talk for wiki; you are not special. Sorry, mother lied to you.

The Wiki community will punish you--Light current 00:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I will not let you ruin the truth under a false veil of Wiki. I am done talking, but my actions will never stop. 12.217.35.198 00:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sprotection

I don't know who's right or wrong, but I see some anon IPs deleting material and vowing never to give up, so I'm assuming it's vandalism and I've semi-protected the page. To the anon: if this is a genuine content dispute, please discuss your objections on talk, bringing forth any sources you have to show that you're right, and also please drop the "I will never let this go" attitude, because a big part of editing Wikipedia lies in accepting you can't get your own way all the time. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the talk page is still in the vandalised state. Is this sprotected also?--Light current 01:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
No it isnt and Ive just corrected the vandalised post--Light current 01:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I have read this talk page and its kinda funny

I am a bass player, and I love both Kaye and Jamerson. Its funny because this is always a hot topic about cetain Motown basslines. I just want to give my two cents in, hoping to help fix this silly feud. Carol Kaye worked for Motown in LA for a good amount of time starting around 1967 or so. She was used often with thier west-coast artist and had some top-100 hits (which I can't think of at the moment). She also did demos for every almost every artist at Motown. She did record many hit songs for Motown, but most of them were simply demos and the true release was recorded with The Funk Brothers.

The performance credit that Carol has pursued with the greatest tenacity over the years is the bass part on Stevie Wonder's "I Was Made to Love Her". Hank Cosby who co-wrote, produced it, and who, in his own words, "was there every step of the way from the writing of the song to the day the 45's were shipped", vehemently denied any participation by Carol Kaye on this recording. Cosby added, "Fifty percent of the song was James Jamerson's bass line. No one played like that but Jamerson." Cosby also signed an affidavit similar to Brian Holland's attesting to Jamerson's performance.

I mean the man signed a legal affidavit. What proof do you need? :P I hope you noobs can stop your fight and get on with life.

For references for this please view the references of the James Jamerson wiki page. (I got most of the info from "Standing in the Shadows of Motown"

Axios101 02:26, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, Kaye really did record "I was made to love her". She covered it with The Beach Boys in the early 70's. 12.217.35.198 02:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

THanks for the info. I have seen the affadavit and am modifying the page to take a/c of it.--Light current 02:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brian Holland's Affidavit

HDH didn't write I was made to love her, so his affidavit speaks for only a few songs. Now the affidavit from Mr. Cosby (the songwriter/producer) is the important one. Axios101 02:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I now hope we can all just get along! :P Axios101 02:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppetry

Just to confirm that Axios is 12.217.39.243 and the others. I'll be reverting his edit. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

THanks Slim!--Light current 03:02, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Recordings - Possible addition to the section

Being just a casual visitor here, I would like to suggest that you might want to point out Kaye's involvement in the recording of the first two Frank Zappa and the Mothers Of Invention albums, for which you can find one of many online references (with cute picture!) here: http://www.united-mutations.com/k/carol_kaye.htm . It might not be a bad idea to incorporate this into the article, as it will give a more rounded picture of her musical contributions. Hi There 16:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

You could do that! Anyonoe can edit, remember!--Light current 20:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wikidiscussions

This is my first experience of a serious online heated debate. Interesting (to see to what extend some people will go to - hitting their keyboards with sledgehammers to get their point across?) but at the same time disappointing. I thought all you wikipedians were one big happy family altruistically giving up your free time for the common good. All I wanted to know was something about the Wrecking Crew, but have stumbled across a great divide. Just a last minute thought - didn't Malcolm Cecil play bass on most of Stevie Wonder's stuff? 83.180.128.192 23:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


Anyway I've cleaned it up, adding much detail and balance.
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