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I've added what I remember about Carnage's development into the article, including a bit about Kassidy and Brock meeting in prison, which is where the Symbiote exchange took place. I'm as postive as can be that this information is correct however I'm having a difficult time verifying it using the web and I can't seem to find those particular issues within my old comics. If anyone has more information about that exchange or happens to know that something I've added-in is incorrect please correct the information. -KK
[edit] Ultimate Carnage: Powers
In the ultimate universe, Carnage also seemed to somehow alter "his" image (assuming he is asexual) such as the image of Peter Parker's father, in the temporary Ultimate Carnage graphic novel. He also supposedly, in addition to life-force, absorbed the DNA of his victims. But then, how could he have gotten the DNA to assume the image of Peter Parker's father? Even Peter Parker is not a duplicate of his own father, assuming the DNA came from Peter Parker into making Carnage as is known from meiosis. -Ultimate Carnage. 2004
Parker's father's DNA was used to create the original Venom suit, and part of Venom was used in the DNA mix to create Carnage, along with that of Peter and Conner.
[edit] Suggestion
Stop deleting my additions!!! If I missed something, just add it, don't delete the whole thing!! This website will do better with more info on a few subjects. Now, I made this complaint on other pages. Answer on any of them or this one on why you are deleting extra info and making this website more general on the info.
[edit] Horrific Grammar
There is some terrible grammar in the Carnage article. Not only that, but there are instances when the information provided is obviously incomplete. I've added the Cleanup tag to the article. -Unknown
[edit] Where..?
Why is Shriek listed as Carnage's 'sister' ? She never had a symbiote, much less ever referred to herself as his sister. Rather, she referred to herself as Carnage's wife in the Maximum Carnage run. I am editing it. Shriek was also the name of one of the five symbiotes from Venom Lethal Protectoc. The Shriek you are thinking about is a diffrent one. -Unknown
There has been a mistake.Shriek is Carnage's wife
[edit] Carnage in David Michelinie's Grand Design
(From Carnage Rulzs page on the Marvel World Order site, citing article "Ahhhh, Where it all began!" By David Michelinie [1])
"I wanted to kill the guy. No, no not my editor--he signs the checks! Actually, I wanted to kill Venom. I would have, too, if not for...ah, but I'm getting ahead of myself. In the beginning, there was an alien symbiote that Spider-Man had brought back from a distant planet. Emulating a sentient, black and white costume, the creature tried eventually to bond permanently with Peter Parker, everyone's favorite web-slinging wonder. However, Spidey fought back and in the course of the battle it wound up sacrificing itself at the last moment to save Spider-Man. Then a year or two later when I began writing for the Amazing Spider-Man, a new villain was called for, and I resurrected an idea I'd begun developing in another book. As a result, I brought back the alien, joined it along with superstar artist, Todd McFarlane--introduced VENOM to the world! Things went pretty well. Writing the character was a lot of fun. But since I had planned to stay on Amazing for at least 20 to 30 years, I started thinking about the future--and I got a dangerous idea: since Venom had his first story in Amazing 300, why not have his last story in Amazing 400! Yeah! I could kill Eddie Brock off, then have the costume wander around the Marvel Universe for a year or two, joining with various other characters, before settling in on another host and becoming the "New Venom"' Imagine the nifty stories if the symbiote joined with Doctor Octopus, the Lizard, or J.Jonah Jameson! It sounded like a great idea, but then something unexpected happened---readers absolutely loved Venom! As popularity and sales rose, it became increasingly obvious that Marvel would never let me actually waste comicdom's favorite slavering symbiote. O what to do! Then came the answer: if we couldn't have the existing symbiote join with someone else, why not create another one? Since the alien was of an unknown species, it seemed reasonable that it might reproduce asexually, spawning a seed that would become a creature similar to itself. Ah, but who would join with it? Though psychotic, Eddie Brock had a deep, if twisted, sense of justice which drove him to protect innocents. (At least when he wasn't busy trying to turn Spider-Man into gut jam!) I thought that it might be an interesting contrast to the unique dichotomy to give Venom like power to a total sociopath, someone without a hint of redeeming value, a lunatic who'd eat babies for breakfast and ask for seconds. Enter Cletus Kasady. An unrepentant mass murderer, Cletus was Eddie's cell mate in prison, and thus became the eager recipient of Venom's spawn when the symbiote gave birth while breaking Eddie out. Okay, we had our new character--what would we name him? No problem I thought: we'll call him CHAOS! After all, that's what Clete wants to bring to the world right? Perfect! Until a rival company came out with a character by the same name a couple of weeks later. The artist Mark Bagley proposed Ravage! Again it was perfect! Until we found out that Marvel had a book in the works called Ravage 2099. Finally the assistant editor Eric Fien suggested casually, not knowing that he was about to make history, "How bout Carnage?" Once more, the name was perfect. And even better, this time no one else was using it! Which left us with one problem: What would the character look like? How would we maintain the visual connection to Venom while still making the new guy an individual unto himself? I posed the possibility that he could look like Venom, but that his costume would be multi-colored, constantly reflecting the chaotic nature of the man inside. Not being an artist, I didn't realize that that would put anyone who tried to draw it in a padded cell real fast! That's when Mark Bagley came up with the design we ultimately used, successfully retaining the constant change motif, but with a much more workable and effective, red and black color scheme. Seeing how Mark drew the character gave me ideas on how to use it, and between us we put together one nasty dude. And it seems the world likes nasty dudes. The first two stories featuring Carnage sold out, with no advertising, no publicity whatsoever. We assume that's because the readers found him entertaining---not admirable. (He is after all one sick puppy!) But whatever the reason, Cletus Kasady's popularity has steam rolled, rivaling that of his dad, Venom. In fact, he even headlined the biggest mega cross over in Spider-Man history, "Maximum Carnage." What will become of Clete and his living wardrobe in the future? No one knows. But I hope that this page gives you a little better of an explanation." --David Michelinie
- I've removed this from the article. It doesn't seem relevant, it's badly done, and I don't have time to read it all. Can someone explain the relevancy? Tyciol 07:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
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- This is the introduction to the Spider-Man: Carnage trade paperback, which reprinted his first appearance. Looks like a word for word transcription, except for the last couple of lines (which originally said, basically, "enjoy the book" -- I italicized the part that I could tell was different). It doesn't belong here but it's a legit source. - HKMARKS 23:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Spawn title
I seem to remember that solicitations originally called the character "Spawn" or something like that, but obviously conflicts with McFarlane's then debuting Spawn comic made them change his name to "Carnage". Can anyone else back this upo or even remember this? Hueysheridan 00:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Spider-Carnage
I think we should show Ben Reily as Spider-Carnage, just to put an example of Carnage's transformations. 65.103.84.79
I agree. After all, there is "Cosmic Carnage" on this article.--Shut The Eff Up 15:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- I added a summary of "Web of Carnage." I don't have a graphic for it. -HKMARKS 16:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I would recommend searching on Google for it, then when you find it, post it here. Thanks for the summary. 70.58.211.220
Thank you for the picture. This has been very helpful. 70.58.211.220
[edit] Ambiguous pronoun
- Kasady claims he killed his father, who apparently killed the boy's mother when she tried to kill him[.]
She tried to kill whom? Cletus, or his father? JIP | Talk 08:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Cletus, I'm pretty sure. Mom: "You evil evil child! I'm gonna kill you!" Dad: "You're crazy, woman, leave that boy alone! *kills mom*" Li'l Cletus: "But I am evil! Bwahaha! *kills dad*" Something like that, anyway. -HKMARKS 13:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ultimate Carnage
I think we should stop debating whether Carnage is a symbiote or a vampiric parasite. It would be best to say that this villain would be a symbiote, for the sake of the old comics, and for our readers. 70.58.211.220
- It's not a symbiote nor a parasite. A symbiote is a creature who coexists with another creature. Earth-616 Venom/Carnage are mutualist symbiotes because both organisms benefit. A parasitic symbiote coexists with a host, but does harm it. Ultimate Carnage neither coexists nor leaves a host unharmed, at least that we've seen; it just eats it, so it's a predator. Furthermore, it's not part of the Symbiote (comics) alien species. Let's not start making up science. -HKMarks 14:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Very well. I accept this proclomation. Now I'll move on to another subject. Should Carnage be given a name and gender? After all, all three of its DNA resources come from male men, and the book says Carnage is given the Ultimate treatment. I would say Carnage is an evil male predatorial creation bent on absorbing DNA to gain power. Synoposis good? 70.58.211.220
[edit] Carnage Unlimted
It is possible that the Carnage in Spider-Man Unlimited is a different carnage, because it looks completely different (Taller, with actual teeth instead of symbiote, red instead of violet). Also he can merge with Venom. And there is no proof that Carnage's host is Cletus Kasady either.
So, your point is? UnDeRsCoRe 20:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
If you have been watching Spidemran Unlimited in Yotube, then it clearly shows that Cletus is still the host of Carnage. Besides I think the producer/writers were different so get to a different version of what people expected from Carnage and Venom: Monstrous symbiotes, not humanoid symbiotes.
The original Venom and Carnage lacked monsterous details like claws, bones, and awkward shapes.
The symbiotes have most likely completely taken over their hosts, but that doesn't explain why Venom and Carnage work together. Ggctuk 12:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I posted a continuity issue between TAS and Unlimited on the respective talk page for Spider-Man Unlimited. Ggctuk 14:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ultimate Carnage is Gwen?
I have yet to read Ultimate Spider-Man #100, but this article states Gwen turns into Carnage? Is this true? If not remove it, If it is, please enlighten me. UnDeRsCoRe 23:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
She does. I read the comic. This should really get interesting. 70.58.211.220
Yes, it's quite true. It turns out the %^&*$#@!s who stole Conner's work created a Gwen Stacy clone based on the Carnage creature's absorbtion of Stacy way back #63(?). Why exactly anyone would want to make a clone of poor Gwen, let alone a murderous monster out of her, has yet to be revealed. I did however, enjoy how Mr. Fantastic handeled the situation. "Please, agh, if you could indentify the source of your mutation. Are you an alien life form? And if so, which geneology do you--?"CovertSomnophore 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ultimate Spider-Man game Carnage?
Does anyone have any images of Peter as Carnage in the video game? If they could post it up here, we would really appreciate it. 70.58.211.220
He looks identical to the one in the comic in every way. If you are desperate for one, you can take a screencap of the character profile at the Ultimate Spider-Man official site. - QuestionMark 20:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Profile
I placed a Profile for Ultimate Venom, but it got removed, with the comment "(per agreement at the Comics Project, Ultimate versions don't usually get a separate SHB)" placed as an explanation. Wishing to go along with the project, I have removed the profile of 'Ultimate Carnage'. I hope you will all agree that it was the right thing to do. SaliereTheFish 10:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yup. And good catch - I hadn't noticed the Ultimate Carnage SHB. CovenantD 10:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Missing Reference
This page requires a source to the statement that the cartoon would have included a few things if it had another season. IMDB has that information. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112175/trivia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.179.101.45 (talk) 01:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
