Talk:Carmelites
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"The original rule of the order was now changed"...Was now changed? That doesn't sound right to me. What's this trying to say?24.131.12.228 23:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Saint Louis?
The last sentence in the Origin and Early History section reads:
- "During his rule of twenty years the order prospered, especially by the establishment of a monastery at Paris by Saint Louis in 1259."
Problem is, there are at least seven Catholic Saints named Saint Louis (possibly more), only two of which are listed on the Saint Louis disambiguation page. (I haven't looked to see if any more Sain Louis articles exist in Wikipedia.)
Any idea which Saint Louis is being referenced in this article?
From a cursory perusal of the available material, King Louis IX of France, monarch and saint, seems the most likely candidate, certainly given that the time frame of his reign fits with the date of 1259, and the location in Paris.
But I'm not 100% sure, so I haven't linked him to this article.
Anyone with more expertise in this area able to clarify?
Thanks, Kevyn 22:22, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] é?
Is it Carmelites or Carmélites, as in Dialogues des Carmélites the opera by Francis Poulenc and Georges Bernanos? Hyacinth 23:39, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Carmélites is the French form of the word, while in Spanish and Portuguese it is Carmelitas. However, the standard form in English is Carmelites.
The English form Carmelites has no written accent on the first e and ends in -es, instead of -as.
— Diamantina 02:43, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Separation
A separation probably should be made between Discalced Carmelites (OCD)and the Carmelites of the Ancient Order (OCarm). They are considered separate orders and though I wouldn't say they dislike each other, there is still an intense rivalry between them at times. Williamb 12:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Scapular
Since there are already articles on the Scapular in general and the Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel (the Carmelite brown scapular) in particular, I think that the section on the scapular in this article should be cut, with suitable passages added to the two scapular articles. What do you think?
— Diamantina 07:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV
It's very informative, but this article has much in the way of POV. Statements made from the point of view of a member of ther order, all in "will" format rather than "claimed to" or any of those.
