Talk:Cape Breton Island

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The comment "Cape Breton was illegally annexed along with Prince Edward Island in 1820" smelled bogus to me, so I did some quick searches on-line and at the library. I could find no corroboration (though as I mentioned, my searches were not thorough), so I edited the illegally out. If there really is a controversy over the legality of the 1820 annexation, we should elaborate about it a little bit and not just mention it in passing.--Indefatigable 19:26, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

The reference I was referring to was some correspondences from the then governor of Cape Breton that are available at the Beaton Institute. I will have a cite for it shortly... might even expand on it and add something for the Cape Breton provincialist movement. jax9999


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[edit] Cleanup....

That should help a bit...anyone else have any ideas of what else we could put in? I think more on the economy and a bit less on waterway navigation, etc., could help.Habsfannova 03:23, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Looks great! I agree - there should also be more information on its years as an independent colony, more on coal mining (Sydney Field and the Inverness Field) and how this drove the steel industry. I'll see if I can get a better map which shows communities and counties in better detail.Plasma east 00:40, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
How about adding some population figures and more info on the tourism industry? I could be wrong but I think the island is trying to drum up interest in more toursim. --Scottanon 21:15, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Population?

Population data would be nice. Funnyhat 06:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


I was thinking of getting out to the college and getting into the census data would we want the historical stuff or just the latest stuff?jax9999


[edit] History....

the section on history seems kind of jumbled. The seperate section on industrial history that cites an article called industrial history is just awkward. Im going to have to figure out something.

[edit] Breton/Basque

The word Breton has no relation to the Basque country. The population of these two regions have no particular relation, except that they're both French. As such, I'm deleting the reference to Basque country in the introduction. Dagonz, 9 Apr 2006

The populations of Basque and Brittany have no relation, but I think local historical accounts refer to Basque fishermen and whalers operating from the shores of the island since the 1400s having given the name "Breton" in honour of Brittany. Plasma east 17:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Settlement history

There is a separate article called Settlement history of Cape Breton Island (which is linked in the history section) that is essentially just a repeat of some of the information contained in the history section. There's no need to repeat the same thing in two places. The separate page should be eliminated, or else a very abbreviated form of it should be in the history section, with a link like "Main article - ..." for more detail. Dsreyn 17:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bras d'Or and fog

This was recently added:

Cape Breton's hydrological features include the Bras d'Or Lake system, a fog-free salt-water fjiord at the heart of the island

Last summer, I spent a night in Baddeck, and another in Iona, and both nights, there was plenty of fog on Bras d'Or. I'm removing the "fog-free" claim for now. Dsreyn 12:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent changes - merging separate articles

Separate articles on Cape Breton fiddling and Cape Breton Highlands were recently merged into the Cape Breton Island article. I think there are several reasons to keep these as separate articles / topics:

  1. Categories - this allows people to easily locate articles within an area of interest. However, the main Cape Breton Island article does not really belong in categories such as "Scottish styles of music", "Violins", or "Mountain ranges of Canada".
  2. Links - an article on a specific fiddler (say, Jerry Holland), has a link to the fiddling article. If instead this link goes to Cape Breton Island, it's much less convenient for the reader (even if the fiddling content is contained there).
  3. User contributions - just speculation on my part, but I think someone with an interest in a specific area (such as fiddling) is more likely to work on the article if it exists as a separate entity.
  4. General article style - I think it's preferable for the Cape Breton Island article to have a brief overview of everything, but leave a lot of the details to specialized articles. This makes browsing easier for someone who just wants to become familiar with Island in general (and may not want every detail on every topic), while someone interested in more depth in a particular area can just follow the link to the separate article.

Dsreyn 17:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Dsreyn, I fully understand your point of view. It does make sense to have separate articles on Cape Breton Fiddling and the Cape Breton highlands, but the two were so painfully short that they were only a brief overview. I'd be overjoyed to have them separate if someone with appropriate knowledge would put the time into expanding them, but in their current state, it seemed better to merge them with the article on Cape Breton Island and flesh out that article. I'll keep my hands off of the three for a while until we hear from some other users. --G. C. Hood 19:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I certainly agree that both of the separate articles could use more work though. That sort of gets back to my third point above - I think having them separate is more likely to invite future expansion. Dsreyn 19:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed that you added a "mergeto" template to the Cape Breton Highlands article. Is there any reason for proposing the merge, other than you don't think that article is long enough on its own? If the article is too short (and could be expanded), the solution is to encourage expansion, not to merge it with something else (which seems more likely to discourage expansion).
There are some Wikipedia guidelines on writing articles that you might want to read - Guide to writing better articles and Article size. The preferred style generally seems to be to break separate topics out into their own articles. Dsreyn 15:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I have to agree with Dsreyn that both articles should be kept separate from this main article on Cape Breton Island for the reasons stated above. They could be expanded upon, but should remain separate, even if they are stubs. (forgot to sign this post earlier Plasma east 14:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Cape Breton Landscape

I have some great photos I took that shows what the highlands of Cape Breton look like, should we put them on, and how would we do this. (I never edited a page before) I'll check back to see your comments.

If the photos show some of the dominant features (ie. barren plateau, rising ridges along the coast, flora & fauna, etc.), then by all means, upload them. You can find instructions on the Upload file link to the left side of the page. Instead of adding the photos to this article on Cape Breton Island itself, you might want to consider uploading and linking them for the Cape Breton Highlands article.Plasma east 14:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French language

Something should be mentioned about the language demographics of Cape Breton... it seems to be a mostly francophone area, distinct from the rest of Nova Scotia. Esn 05:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colonial Seal

I think it would be a great addition to the article, but I defy anyone to locate a web image of the colonial seal. That is, the original seal that was granted by the monarchy and used by Cape Breton for the brief period it was an independent colony, from 1784–1820. Does anyone has access to an archive or museum or history book with a photograph of this thing?? —Muckapædia 13e déc. 2006, 11h31 (UTC+0900) 머크백과 tǂc

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