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Contents 1 Suggest adding 2 Built-in edit button 3 Protection 4 Mini-navbar 5 Error in The Philippine-American War Campaign Box

[edit] Suggest adding

- War (e.g. WW I, Napoleonic Wars)

- Timeframe

- Significance (Critical, sideshow)

- Units involved

- Commanders

- Outcome

Andreas 15:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

That would make it redundant with {{warbox}}, wouldn't it? This is really intended to be a simple list of battles for addition to a larger template. —Kirill Lokshin 15:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Not sure about that Kirill, since a war and a campaign are two different things, even though they may have similar attributes. E.g. you could use the campaign template to break the war of 1812 into its various campaigns, giving more detailed information for each than you could in the {{warbox}}. Just off the top of my head. Andreas 15:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, {{warbox}} is intended for use on anything from wars down to individual battles (don't mind the somewhat misleading name). If you have a separate article on, say, the Niagara campaign, you would have a warbox on that article that discusses only the campaign.

On the other hand, we don't want those details in the main War of 1812 warbox, since it will become absurdly long ;-) —Kirill Lokshin 15:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for setting me right - as you can see, I am a bit new here. In that case I agree. Andreas 15:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem :-) —Kirill Lokshin 15:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Built-in edit button

Adding a built-in edit button to the campaignbox is quite simple and makes life easier to editors. Of course, some campaignboxes don't get changed once they're made, but if they do this could come in quite handy. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 06:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Argh! The table on the right is blocking my campaignbox. It's to the bottom right. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 06:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Not sure how useful it would be on most of them, since they rarely need editing; and it has the twin problems of (a) breaking the centering of the title and (b) making vandalism easier (almost nobody has the campaignboxes watchlisted). Kirill Lokshin 09:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

This template is protected, but no reason is given. --Oden 07:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was protected a while back due to the fact that it's an extremely high-use meta-template, and mucking around with it would tend to have significant effects on the servers. I'm not sure if this is still the case, though. Kirill Lokshin 07:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Requests for unprotection can be made by adding ===={{lt|Campaign}}==== at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_unprotection. --Oden 07:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there any particular reason to unprotect this, though? Kirill Lokshin 07:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Protection is considered harmful. see: m:Protected pages considered harmful. (See also Wikipedia:Protection policy and Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy). This template has neither been subject to a edit war or vandalism, so the only rationale seems to be because it is a highly visible template (see Wikipedia:High-risk templates). However, it would be prudent to justify this on the talk page. (See also log entry: [1]).

It would also be prudent to add protection template (e.g. {{protected}} or {{vprotected}} for vandalism) to the top of the temporarily protected page. When protecting a template, you place the notice inside <noinclude></noinclude> tags so that it does not show up when the template is transcluded. Alternatively, the tag can go on the template's talk page. --Oden 08:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

If you feel it should be unprotected, you already know where to ask. I don't believe there's any reason to do so, considering how high-visibility this is; hence, I'm not going to unprotect it myself. (I would also point out that the ever-so-slightly condescending tone of your remarks isn't a particularly good thing.) Kirill Lokshin 16:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

My intention in raising this subject is to guard against arbitrary use by administrators. My tone is dispassionate in order to adhere to the subject at hand and to avoid any unnecessary discussions (in addition my tone is not causal to the subject at hand, please adhere to the subject).

Furthermore, while I may know where to ask there are those who do not, hence the need for a template. Since I am not an administrator I have had to place it on this talk page, instead of on the template page where it belongs (see Category:Protection templates). --Oden 09:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Your tone is insulting rather than dispassionate, frankly. Kirill Lokshin 14:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

A quick glance at Special:Contributions suggests the work of a serious and dedicated editor, but also stands in contrast to the comments made above. A prolonged discussion on proper etiquette would, in my opinion, serve no purpose (especially since the subject already has been extensively covered).

I am also pleased to note that my suggestions were implented, to the benefit of all. --Oden 15:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mini-navbar

Is there anyway we can add the {{Tnavbar-mini}} template (or a modification of) to our general campaign box template in a way that allows users to edit/discuss the child templates easily? Oberiko 20:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Not without editing every box individually, unfortunately. The obvious trick—using something like PAGENAME to get to the child template—won't work when they're actually in articles; the only option would be to code the template's name manually in each.

(Having said that, I'm not sure if such a change would necessarily be beneficial. Given that few campaignboxes seem to be watchlisted, we could be asking for a major surge in vandalism problems.) Kirill Lokshin 20:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Error in The Philippine-American War Campaign Box

The Pulang Lupa link reads 'Pulang Lupal'. I request an administrator to fix it. Kguirnela 06:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for catching that! Kirill Lokshin 13:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix and you are welcome! =) Kguirnela 04:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)