Talk:Campanology

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I think it is confucing being directed here from bell ringing. I'm thinking a disambiguation page might be better. John 16:39, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This already is a disambig page... Or do you think bell ringing should be a disambig page? What else would it disambiguate than what is all ready on this page? Iain 18:07, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC) OK, I should check my facts before posting! Bell ringing redirects to Change ringing, which mentions campanology. Im going to change bell ringing to be a redirect to campanology, and hope this will be less confusing... Iain 18:25, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Edits

There seem to be many edits on this article at the moment, but with no great aim. Just wondering if anyone has any idea what direction this page should be heading in? John 14:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I think this page should definitely tend to be more of a disambiguation page. The various types of bellringing use different types bells, different methods and have little to no cultural connections with each other. We really should put Russian Ringing in a seperate article but it's very small at the moment. What other types of bell ringing are there? --Andrew Hyde 14:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Written by an Englishman who never went abroad? ("5 or 6 bells")

Campanology is definitely not a hobby - If painting might have been a hobby for Van Gogh, Rubens had a whole industrial atelier. And it is not bell-ringing. It is the proper word especially for the higher level of composing for and playing on a specific instrument that has been studied and minutely improved for highest musical quality. The (Dutch) word 'beiaard' (or any old spelling since 'beyaert') has become known in several languages, for the meanwhile more-than-just-one-continental musical instrument that sounds bells in such way it draws both tourists and locals to the concerts. Some professional campanologists had or have world fame. The instrument is played sitting on a bench by hitting the top keyboard with the underside of the fists and the bottom keyboard with the feet, since the lower notes in particular require more physical strength than an organ, the latter not attaining the tonal range of the better carillons. A fine carillon may have well over 40 bells... the article rather safely assumes it can be played even with rudimentary harmony. Perhaps one should look into articles like St. Rumbolds Cathedral and its most famous campanologist Jef Denyn - some other cathedrals have famous recitals as well. Finally, it is not correct to mention only church bells: there is at least one (of course smaller) carillon mounted on wheels, that has been played while being pulled along the streets in important city parades; modern carillons have been built as stand-alone instruments, see their article's pictures of such in the USA and in Australia and article Netherlands Carillon (try spotting the person to the left on the ground in blue coat, just for scale). -- SomeHuman 2006-06-08 03:48 (UTC)

If the mountain does not come to Muhammad, then Muhammad must go to the mountain. Basic adaption of article 'Campanology', done. -- SomeHuman 2006-06-19 19:32 (UTC)

[edit] Problematic edits 2006-06-21 and repairs & improvements 2006-06-26

moved here from SomeHuman's talk page (title: Campanology)
Hey, sorry to have missed the huge removal of info on this page. Hope that I can help make it better and I'm glad you recovered the missing details. Hope we can work together soon. Budgiekiller 19:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The omissions by a third party had forced me to revert to my former version and (besides some further work) I tried to get all your edits back in. Hope I didn't miss one. I would like to get the external links where these belong: there is a single link for each type of bell instrument, and a series of links for British bells and bell-ringing (which seems to have been the original article's subject but the article name is much more general). The whole page gives merely a summary of the different types of bell instruments – a proper 'Campanology' page should also have something on (casting) and tuning of bells, and on compositions (for each kind of instrument if to be found – the bell-ringing cycle, which can hardly be called a composition, is all we've got so far). Sinced the page should not be a thorough article (there are already several types of bell instruments that have a proper one – there might already exist one about the fabrication/tuning of bells as well) but just a general overview of the different aspects, I had put the links within each clear-cut chapter. The only other reasonable solution would be creating under 'External links' an identical subtitle with its link(s). But that gives problems: linking requires unique names. You didn't offend me by moving the links but it feels wrong to put them together, here drowning the few within the many and contrasting with the sharp distinction between chapters. You did as one should for a more continuous article of which a link often leads to more than one aspect handled on different places in the article. If you find a way to fluently put each link in some sentence in the proper chapter, be my guest. I didn't encounter this kind of link problem in any other article so far, perhaps we spot some elegant solution elsewhere. -- SomeHuman 2006-06-26 23:10 (UTC)