Talk:Cameron Crazies

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This is not encyclopaedic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.57.92.149 (talk • contribs) .

• Mind explaining why not? (ESkog)^(Talk) 23:45, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Sure. Every team has its fanatics. Duke's "Cameron Crazies" are at best trivial. ESPN seems to be the only one that harps about them. I live in the RDU area and not even our local newspapers report on these kids. To have an encyclopaedic article about them is over-emphasizing Duke's fans, as if they are more significant than other fans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.57.92.149 (talk • contribs) .
    • Well, I think that the fact that ESPN gives them coverage makes it something people may search for here. As a Kansas fan myself, I agree that it's annoying, but it's a verifiable group of people who has received significant media coverage. See also Orange Krush, the analagous group at Illinois. (ESkog)^(Talk) 17:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
      • I agree that it is encyclopedic, but we need to make sure it doesn't become propaganda for stating how great the cameron crazies are. Remember 13:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV?

"The Cameron Crazies are widely regarded as the most innovative and disruptive crowd in college athletics, and many universities have sought to replicate the layout of Cameron Indoor Stadium in the hopes of fostering the development of a similarly involved fanbase."

I've never heard of this before. Surely when something is "widely regarded" we can have at least one source that backs this up? Otherwise I don't see why there should be blatent lies on the Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.57.92.149 (talk • contribs) .

• Good call. I have removed that section, as no unbiased source will possibly claim this is true. I don't know why anyone would want to replicate Cameron Indoor and its 6000-seat morgue-like setting. (ESkog)^(Talk) 17:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Robertson Scholar paragraph

In my opinion, this is not even worth mentioning about the "Cameron Crazies" as it really has nothing to do with the fans. It could, however, be in an article about DSG if that existed. Also, it has way too many details about the Roberston Scholar program. Is this a page on the Roberston Scholars? No. But if you really think it should exist, it deserves a sentence at most. Also, there are factual errors in the paragraph:

• 1.) The paragraph suggests to the uninformed reader that "camping out for tickets" (which is in itself false as nobody camps out for tickets except for graduate students at the beginning of the season; the tents are just a line to get into the stadium; undergraduates don't have tickets) is for every game, despite the fact that tenting is only for one or two games a year (only one this year - just UNC). Robertson Scholars follow the exact same procedures as all other Duke students to get into all other games.
• 2.) DSG did not ban Roberston Scholars from attending the game vs UNC! They just said they can't tent for it. This is not the same thing. Tenting is capped at 100 tents with a maximum of 12 per tent. That's 1200 max. The student section can seat as many as 1700-1800. So, Robertson Scholars can still get into the game via the walk-up line which forms usually about 48 hours before tipoff.
• 3.) Saying that "The University of North Carolina has not banned Robertson Scholars at Duke from acquiring tickets to its home games" is effectively not true and definitely unrelated to an article about "Cameron Crazies." Also, this suggests that Duke banned Roberstons from attending all home games (see above - they are actually banned from zero games). Officially, UNC hasn't banned Robertson Scholars from going to the game vs Duke - but UNC's ticket policy makes it pretty much impossible for them to get into any game - let alone the game vs Duke. Seniors have priority at UNC, as I understand it, for tickets (you can say I am uninformed about the UNC ticket policy as I don't claim to know all the details). Robertsons attend UNC their sophomore year, pretty much eliminating any chance they can get in, especially to the game vs Duke. It is hard for Robertsons studying at UNC to get into any game at the Dean Dome, while Duke allows the Robertson Scholars at Duke to get into Cameron just as easily as everybody else for every single game except for the one against UNC.
• 4.) The paragraph also states that "students attended the game in the Duke student section while wearing Carolina blue," but fails to mention that they wore Duke clothing over their Carolina blue only to "reveal their true colors" later, which was seen as deceitful by some (I don't really want to argue this, just mentioning that both sides are obviously not represented).

Obviously, this paragraph was written by an uniformed source.....-Bluedog423^Talk 19:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, don't trust USA Today, they obviously don't have good reporting: "[UNC-based Robertsons] can try to buy tickets on the day of the game that are held for walk-up sales." No undergraduates "buy tickets" to any games and there are no "walk-up sales." And I'm sure the person they were paraphrasing did not say it in that wording. Definitely misquoted. -Bluedog423^Talk 19:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)