Talk:Cameltoe
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[edit] Disagreement on the cause of CT
Everybody thinks CT is caused by chicks wearing their pants too tight [A cameltoe caused by tight jeans and a central seam dividing the labia.] but as a pattern design engineer in the apparel industry (25 years), I can tell you it is *usually* caused by a flaw in the pattern design process. To whit, I wrote two posts on the topic which I'll include as reference if somebody wants to change this entry. You can use whatever text/images with attribution etc. I also include info on "wongs", CT's "big brother". http://www.fashion-incubator.com/mt/archives/anatomy_of_a_camel_toe_pt1.html http://www.fashion-incubator.com/mt/archives/anatomy_of_a_camel_toe_pt2.html Pattern maker 21:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] College Humor
Well, this page was listed on collegehumor.com. Let the vandal watch begin... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Poisonouslizzie (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Asian cameltoe
Japan tends to have a large cameltoe fetish, with photos, manga illustrations, and anime. Subjects are often schoolgirls wearing skirts or bloomers/PT shorts. Also used as a form of censorship, by outlining genitalia without showing it. Often combined with a frontal wedgie for maximum goodness.
[edit] Removed POV
I removed this sentence:-
"However, while is it not necessarily always the case, most often girls and women are aware when a cameltoe is displayed."
It's clearly POV and cannot be verified, and just sounds like a male fantasy . . . I cannot verify this either except for myself but . . . we do not actually spend all day gazing between our legs to check for cameltoe, it can easily appear with us being aware of it. And wow I never thought I'd be talking about cameltoe on wikipedia :P GhostGirl 04:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Mooseknuckle
In parts of Canada, Camel Toe is also known as Mooseknuckle.
This page is also short on links..May I also propose a link to a Camel Toe site: http://ctoe.bolt.com/ Commking 9 November 2005
- I've heard the male version of Camel Toe refered to as Mooseknuckle.
[edit] "Alternate Names" section is getting out of control
Wikipedia is not Urban Dictionary, and anyway I doubt most of these are actually used in speech, except as jokes. —Keenan Pepper 03:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
- You could be right (and don't forget to add "Gammon Goalposts")
I removed the entries that I'm pretty sure are frivolous, and left the ones that seem to be regionalisms. The Crow 21:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it is the job of Wikipedia to collect and organize information, up to and including slang terms. Look a the list of ethnic slurs. merrend 10:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed the entry "Zebra Hunting (Mexico)". Clearly, this is English and any slang is Mexico is in Spanish.
I would like to say that Fasolo is not an italian word, but is a sicilian word and means bean ArmyDuck 23:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New images
is it really necessary to have so many images of cameltoes? also, there is no license information on any of the newly added images. - Stoph 00:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- I agree, it look to much like porn, the only image that provides anything more than entertainment is the spandex one, and at a stretch the butterfly thong. I have removed the new images except for spandex to here. I suggest we wait on the other on to see if we get some copyright info. AntiVan 01:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Agreed, most of these pictures are obviously not created for the purpose of an encyclopedia such as Wikipedia. I have removed another picure featuring an almost bare woman.Sycthos 00:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
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- I think a photo of someone in a tight outfit most represents the "iconic" camel-toe without being gratuitous, so I'm taking out the extreme close-up vulva shot and leaving one with the spandex outfit. Really I think a person wearing jeans or slacks would be more representative. Also removing some image spam on this talk page The Crow 21:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
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- The close up, whilst explicit, does illustrate the source of the term more clearly. I agree the spandex clad girl demonstrates the common experience, but the image arrived at the same time as a heap of porn, and I suspect we will lose it in the copyright cleanup. I have restored the original. AntiVan 23:48, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
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- I disagree with AntiVan. There are two pictures of cameltoes on the article page, while many articles only have one photograph. Also, the close-up is a bit explicit and may be offensive to some people. Sycthos 00:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Offensiveness is not a criteria for removing content from Wikipedia (see what wikipedia is not), although I agree if something could be offensive and it doesn’t contribute to the subject of the article then it should be removed. My argument is that the explicit image contributes to the understanding of the source of the term better than the spandex image.
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- A second argument is that the explicit image is in the public domain, whereas the spandex girl is a probable copy violation and will be deleted in a few days. AntiVan 01:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
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- The main problem I have with the photo is that it's a see-through panty shot, which really is not illustrative of the whole camel-toe ethos. With the camel toe, you get only the contour, not the finely detailed color, shading, and texture. What we're looking at here is essentially a bare vulva. There's already a vulva article with explicit photos, as it should be. This photo doesn't really help the reader recognize the cameltoe in the wild, as it were. The Crow 03:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Spandex girl is really an example of a cameltoe formed by a seam, whereas the image you do not pefer was more of a classical cameltoe. I do take your point about the see-throughness being unnecessary however. Perhaps you can source a suitable public domain image that is a classic camletoe, but no so revealing as the old one. We will need it in a couple of days when the spandex girl gets removed. AntiVan 09:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
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I'd like to bring this discussion back. I found that new image of a cameltoe already uploaded, and added it to the page. In my opinion it better shows a cameltoe, per The Crow's comment above. - Stoph 06:31, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
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- [[[comment]]] I feel these images are a bit too graphic for research purposes and seem to fall into the catagory of fetish images. There is certainly no reason to show the actual vagina unless to show what a camel toe is. It seems more that this is a case of WANTING to show vagina Pickelbarrel 21:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- Feel free to provide better images and/or file an image request with a more detailed explanation of better images. While there is no competitors, I'd say these images visualise the subject better than no images at all. --Easyas12c 12:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
- Having all those images in the article is just in bad taste. The article would do fine with only one (or possibly two) examples. Klosterdev 09:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
- Feel free to provide better images and/or file an image request with a more detailed explanation of better images. While there is no competitors, I'd say these images visualise the subject better than no images at all. --Easyas12c 12:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
- [[[comment]]] I feel these images are a bit too graphic for research purposes and seem to fall into the catagory of fetish images. There is certainly no reason to show the actual vagina unless to show what a camel toe is. It seems more that this is a case of WANTING to show vagina Pickelbarrel 21:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I have added a new image not out of bad taste but only because the existing image was not very clear. I believe the new image shows the concept more clearly.Bobble2 17:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Manly Version
What's the general opinion on a male cameltoe, i.e., pants pinching between his testicles? If yes, should there be a seperate section on it? Personally, I can't find enough information to make a conclusion either way. Wild one 08:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
- Personally I would call that a "fruit bowl" but I don't know if it's iconic enough to start a separate article on it. The Crow 23:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
- I think there could be a section within Cameltoe on this, though not a separate article, I agree. I've seen the male version called "moose knuckles" in several places.--220.233.190.26 15:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Visual Examples
I've added a section for public domain visual examples which I feel illustrates effectively the different circumstances of cameltoes without being pornographic or inappropriate. Please add if possible. Do no delete without discussion. --207.195.242.116 00:45, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'm not sure they are public domain, since the imageshack terms of service explicitly state that the images it hosts are copyright to the uploader, and I can't see any assertion by the uploader that the images are public domain. In any case it does not matter as Wikipedia is not hosting them, they are just links. They are good examples. AntiVan 01:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV?
There is some strange language in this piece. In the intro, from what source are we deriving what is "technically" a cameltoe and what is not? And I removed the words "indeed" and "beloved" from the final sentence in "intentions." Wait, no, I just deleted it for being redundant.
Jordoh 23:16, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Popularity
This claim of 1 in 25 women deliberately sporting a cameltoe during the decade mentioned is surely pure speculation. This is an encyclopedia, so please substantiate factual statements such as these with a source or reference. Bobble2 18:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)Bobble2
- No, no, that's a well-known fact. Okay, no it's not. Yeah, it needs to be edited. Ehusman 00:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Exhibitionism
There are many cases where cameltoes are deliberately shown during beauty pageants, on beaches, television shows, etc, solely for the reason of exhibiting the shape of the female form.
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- Very likely true, but the article as written implied this was the norm while I seriously doubt that to be the case. I've modified the language to suggest that it CAN be a deliberate 'look'. --Lepeu1999 17:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
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- What is the evidence that this is deliberate? Or is it POV? Bobble2 16:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)Bobble2
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[edit] "True" Cameltoe
I love whoever it was who wrote about the "True" cameltoe! It's hilarious. Does he think there is some sort of International standards organisation that officially recognises some camletoes as more valid than others?! Ha ha. Does he think he has some sort of specialist knowledge or something? Bobble2 18:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)Bobble2
Yes what kind of scientific laws are we quoting here? Ah well, who cares.
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- I think we should all care. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should be as factual as possible. That's why there is such a taboo about POV (which is what the person writing about the "true" cameltoe" is actually expressing) Bobble2 09:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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in media can we not add that korns song cameltosis is based on the term?
[edit] Suitable image?
The image Image:Womaninspandex.jpg may be suitable for this article. --Tony Sidaway 11:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- I cropped that picture and uploaded it as Image:Womaninspandex Cameltoe.jpg
Image:Womaninspandex Cameltoe.jpg
--Tony Sidaway 11:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
