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[edit] X-Ray Sony Camera

Would it be appropriate to include, on this page, a discussion (refutation or confirmation) of the fabeled early version of Sony NightShot which, when used during daylight, allowed viewing and recording of "x-ray" images?

This was not x-ray, rather these early models would tend to see through lightweight clothing due to the Infra Red sensitivity of the camcorder. This is still possible to some extent by the use of I.R. bandpass optical filters. Colin99 22:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures?

I think we could probably drop one of the miniDV camcorder pictures (keep the newer one?) and maybe have a newer picture of a hard disc camcorder. Also we should probably have a professional Digital Betacam picture in there. Colin99 22:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Digital Cameras VS Camcorders

Since modern digital cameras can record sound, how about a section contrasting them with camcorders?Rlevse 12:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] See also

Is the link to Masashi Tashiro really necessary? The use of camcorders in voyeurism is probably a relevant fact for inclusion or linkage, but I'm not sure that Masashi Tashiro is the ideal personification of that. I've never heard of the guy, and I'm not sure he's a person of interest to English-speakers looking for information on camcorders. --68.41.122.213 15:53, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the link necessary. An (or some) impeachment person wrote about Tashiro on many places in order to accuse. Perhaps this is one of them. I think that this information is not helpful at all for the purpose of understanding Camcorder. --Nekosuki 07:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Professional Camcorders?

Why does this page only mention consumer camcorders? There is a huge range of professional boradcast camcorders that is being left out here.


[edit] The end of Camcorders???

I heard that they were going to end the selling of camcorders! Can anyone confirm this???209.12.51.207 19:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Digital worse than analog !?!?

In the analog vs digital section, the following is said:

Either a certain block of digital data on the tape is readable or not, which means all or nothing. This leads to one of the most significant disadvantages of digital recording - that minor disc errors can lead to corruption of the entire disc. No data from a block on the tape means a block artifact which is visible in the picture, but they can be interpolated from surrounding data like it happens in CD-Players when a read error occurs.

I'm going to remove it as it is completely wrong. Data values can be corrected with error detection-correction methods. That, with interpolation, means that you can get the data even if it was not very corrupted. Minor disc errors lead to nothing, big disc errors lead to corruption of sections, not entire disc.

  • Not completely wrong, dude, this has happened to me on a number of occasions - disc works fine and will actually play back on the camcorder, then disc errors corrupt the entire disc beyond recovery. Very, very frustrating for footage of an overseas trip that is permanently lost.

[edit] First portible video camera

Nothing about the first arguible portible camera? The Sony Portipak? Its pretty much what started it all.


[edit] Consumer Market Edit

I usually like to inform people of my edits and why I made them. In this section it used to say that Sony is scheduled to relased a hard disk based camcorder in May 2006. It has now been released so I edited that section so it is more up to date now. Jamesters 09:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Retail Prices

I've looked all over and found almost nothing, but if anyone had access to information regarding the retail prices of camcorders over the deacdes (other than the "the first ones were around $1500..." bit that doesn't specify which ones it means), I think that'd be a great addition.

There are lots of prices given on the Canon museum website. Colin99 12:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The World's first CamCoder

World's first CamCorder is not BetaMovie. VHS CamCoder was put on the market in (Perhaps)1980, and BetaCam Camcoder in 1982. See ja:カムコーダ. --Nekosuki 04:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

No, not true. The first camcorder was the Betamovie. If you can find evidence of an earlier model and we can look into it in more detail. In fact they didn't even use the name camcorder until some years later, the Betamovie was described rather unimaginatively as the revolutionary "single unit colour video camera with recording capability". But revolutionary it certainly was. I think Kodak were not far behind in around 1984. Also note that you refer to this as a "BetaCam" camcorder, which is completely wrong. Betacam is a video tape format in its own right, developed from domestic Beta, variants of which are the De-Facto standard video tapes for TV studios. The Betamovie is domestic Beta format, often referred to as Betamax. Colin99 12:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Which should be important "first use of the name of CamCoder" and "appearance of unified style Video Camera and Recorder"? I think more important "the first appearance of unified style" than "the first use of name". The world's first Camcoder was born in 1980, and it was VHS system one. And Betacam professional format Camcoder was born in 1982 Archive of Center of the History of Japanese Industrial Technology (Before Betacam, professionals used U-format separated ENG system). And finally Betamovie was born in 1983. You may think Beta format as wonderful. But it is not right history.--Nekosuki 08:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

No, the first domestic camcorder was the Betamovie. Please produce evidence that there was a VHS one before this (because there wasn't). I agree the name is not important, but being an integrated unit is. Colin99 22:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

More research proves the fact, sorry it's no good just wishing JVC had invented a camcorder in 1980 and then providing no evidence. You can't re-write history like this. Instead, perhaps do some research. How about here: http://www.totalrewind.org/cameras.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hamidk/betamovi.htm http://www.experimentaltvcenter.org/history/tools/ttool.php3?id=50&page=1 http://www.internetvideomag.com/articles2002/historyofcamcorders.htm http://hometheater.about.com/cs/vcrs/a/aaendofbeta.htm .. do we need to go on?

So please stop damaging this article with unsupportable claims. Colin99 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Is en:Wikipedia is an English language version or an United Stetes of America version? The First of United States does not mean the first of the world. See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ#Anglo-American focus. --Nekosuki 16:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

In this case we are talking about the release of Betamovie models in both PAL and NTSC forms in USA and Europe. They had different model numbers of course. I'm UK based and have original flyers for the UK model. Colin99 09:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Domestic? For Whom?

The article, and a caption, says that BetaMovie was the first domestic camcorder. Domestic for whom? It would be clearer to say it was the first camcorder sold in the USA, or sold in Japan, or sold in the UK, or whatever the case might be. I don't know the answer. Someone who does could help this article by replacing the vague "domestic."--Ewrobbel 18:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

These models were sold worldwide with different model numbers, both by Sony (using Betamovie branding) and badge engineered by Sanyo. Colin99 19:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] article location...

pardon my insolence, but which article would I go to to learn about those annoying black bars that appear on a t.v. screen when it is filmed by a cam-corder.

I'm new here but why can't that be part of the discussion? It's an honest question that could be made relevant. Plus it has a simple answer, it's the monitor's refresh rate. Turn down your shutter speed to between 15 and 30 and they will go away.

Also, why doesn't wikipedia have How To's? I don't get it. I thought wikipedia was a knowledge collective. Wouldn't it benefit people to not only post facts, terminology and historie's but also information gained through experience?

FruityCheerios 12:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VHS Camcorder

Should some particular mention be made of VHS camcorders, the variety which recorded directly onto VHS cassettes? Specifically, how about a link to the Panasonic M5, one of the first to do so. We should push the point that these cassettes could be directly played in a VCR, without needng to connect the camcorder to the TV. Pictures can be provided. Seems to a bit of a Sony monopoly on here. c-bro 13:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)c-bro

Probably because Sony got there (recording directly onto video cassettes) before Panasonic. VHS camcorders were not particularly popular (not in the UK at least), they were bulky and give mediocre results (VHS being a mediocre format). Hi8 machines were available by the late 1980s which made VHS unattractive. S-VHS camcorders sold in tiny numbers, but earned respect for solid performance. Colin99 19:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Camcorders before 1982?

This not meant as a jibe just a note. The first commercial video camera/camcorder and VCR came out in 1967. Video was first developed for television with the first video device being developed in 1951; but went commercial in 67 with the introduction of the Sony Portapak, which was the first handheld video camera/camcorder. It was very popular and was bought buy schools and local tv news stations but is most noteably attributed to ushering in an era of guerilla video that turned into a movement called video art. The effect was pretty revolutionary, pretty much giving anybody the ability to go out and shoot a short video. The Portapak was a reel to reel device, the first video camera to use a cassette was developed in 1971, also by Sony.

This only really applies to the history portion of the article but, it was something that kind of glossed over. I don't know, it didn't seem to be a subject raised in any discussion either. It just seemed like the article gives the impression that video was unaccessible until 82 with the Betacam, which is misleading, because there's about twenty extra years of history before that which is pretty interesting. It also applies to the media section. It wasn't only political radicals making these videos. It was performance artists, comedians and experimental filmaker's. All of there work helped to catapult video art in the 80's with artist's like Bill Viola.

As a side note, the definition of a camcorder is a portable video device to be played back on a TV or VCR. So, while these were not referred to as camcorder's at the time, in a way they are. Even if you disagree with me the history of camcorder's before 1982 is important in understanding it's development and use.

FruityCheerios 12:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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