Talk:Calendars of 2005

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Contents 1 Editing Guide 2 Expansion 2.1 Dhul Hijja (proposed) 3 Prominent Birthdays 4 Highlighted day 5 Page layout 6 Daylight Savings Time 7 Winter Solstice/Summer Solstice

[edit] Editing Guide

I've noticed some very questionable holidays in the calendar (Take Our Daughters and Sons to Work Day???), so I'm gonna emphasize this, again:

1. Holidays here should be celebrated AT LEAST at the national level. That rules out state holidays. (and my birthday, T_T).
2. No school holidays, summer holidays and the like.
3. Everything else is subject to discussion.
4. If multiple holidays fall on the same day, they need to be seperated with the word "and".
5. Holidays celebrated at a particular nation only should also include the nation celebrating it. example:

(day) (holiday) (nation)

Let me know if you got other ideas.--SunTzu2 01:57, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps we could come up with a list of approved holidays that would always be added to subsequent years.
Example
New Years Day
Epiphany
etc. etc. Paughsw 05:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

BTW, Take our Kids to Work Day is a Canadian holiday (celebrated nationwide). --Munchkinguy 02:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion

Read the discusssion page Please fix the coding so the tables are at the right place.SunTzu2 03:30, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Coding fixed!!! But I'm having trouble adding March without messing it up again.SunTzu2 03:30, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I finally got the hang with the coding and completed the Gregorian Calendar. So please excuse me while I go celebrate. Meanwhile, you guys go add all the holidays you know, I propose:

1. Holidays here should be celebrated AT LEAST at the national level. That rules out state holidays. (and my birthday, T_T).
2. No school holidays, summer holidays and the like.
3. Everything else is subject to discussion.
4. Holidays celebrated at a particular nation only should also include the nation celebrating it. example:

(day) (holiday) (nation)

SunTzu2 08:35, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Main Wikicalendar Page is here. As the years go by, each calendar year can be added as a link to this page. It also might be a good idea to add the current month(s) to this page. --Munchkinguy 21:56, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm done with the Chinese Calendar!!! I think we should squeeze all holidays on the Gregorian Calendar while other calendars only have holidays they mark (that's almost the only thing they're good for anyway, they have very little use in modern times). --SunTzu2 05:30, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

We now have the Grogorian and Chinese calendars on this page.

If other calendars (such as Islamic) are added, we're going to get a very long page. Might it be better to have a separate page for each calendar? -- Karl Palmen - 11:45 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That's what I said, but did anybody respond? Noooooooo. And of course, we can't make such huge changes without a consensus. --Munchkinguy 01:19, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

For the record, I did respond when you asked it in the Village pump. --SunTzu2 02:55, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I stand corrected. --Munchkinguy 19:26, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dispite that.. I still stand behind my ideas from before. First, the calendars should be seperated:

1. Because this article is really big, and difficult to navigate. If they were seperated into seperate pages, it would be easier to find what you are looking for
2. Because then we can have individual talk pages for each calendar. (:
3. Because different calendars have different new year days (Karl Palmen 25 Aug).

The other one was to reformat the "non Gregorian" calendars. For exaple, this is what I think Dhul Hijja should look like:

[edit] Dhul Hijja (proposed)

yaum al-ahad	yaum al-ahad	yaum ats-tsalatsa'	yaum al-arba'a'	yaum al-khomis	yaum al-jum'a	yaum as-sabt
			1	2	3	4
5	6	7	8	9	10 Eid ul-Adha	11
12	13	14	15	16	17	18
19	20	21	22	23	24	25
26	27	28	29

This way, they are not divided by Gregorian Calendar months, and the month starts with 1 and ends with 29. --Munchkinguy 03:37, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi there.. I can't help but notice that there's a recurring name for the first and second day of the week (yaum al-ahad). As far as i know (correct me if i'm wrong here), al-ahad beard the meaning of 1(one), thus representing the first day of the week. Therefore i think the second day of the week should be isthnaini or 2(two). Then followed by as-tsalatsa (3), ar-ba'a (4), and so on and so forth. That's what i think. --Ridz 02:36, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

To Munchkinguy: They are divided into Gregorian months for a reason.
To Ridz: Days of the week are copied for this article. Honestly, I don't know Arabic. The Islamic calendar I have here is romanized, and they have different but similar names for days of the week and month. For standardization sake, I copied these from one of wikipedia's articles. --SunTzu2 12:28, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Should St. Stephen's Day just be under Boxing Day or mentioned separately?

Can anyone remind me why the different calendars (Greogoria, Chineese, Muslim) should not be seperated into their own articles? This artilce is very long. --Munchkinguy 22:28, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prominent Birthdays

I just added "Edgar Allan Poe's Birthday" to the calendar. Do you think this is a something that should be covered by the Wikicalendar? --Munchkinguy 21:18, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think we should keep to holidays only. So unless that guy is a someone important enough to have a holiday on his birthday (Jesus Christ and National Leaders for example), we should leave him. SunTzu2 03:29, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fine... Edgar Allan Poe has been removed. --Munchkinguy 18:31, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Highlighted day

I think that the same thing that determines what day it is could be implemented in this idea. For instance, when you read the main page the date isn't changed manually is it? It is a special mark-up or something that displays the date automatically. So a special mark-up could be authored that determined the date and automatically highleighted the corresponding space on the calender! But I dont dont know how to actually do any of that stuff htough, so dont pay this any mind =) Jaberwocky6669 22:17, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...I got idea to get someone who knows how to write a bot to make one that will take away all the manual labour (not just the highlighted day). --SunTzu2 01:50, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, manual labor SUCKS, UGH! LOL You're quite funny indeed. I wasn't talking about a bot that would hog system resources, but like a javascript command or something. Jaberwocky6669 03:29, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

I don't know about programming stuff. I don't know the pros and cons of either solution. Perhaps someone else can enlighten us? btw, why are you complaining, I'm the draft horse here, not you. Thanks for your concern anyway. --SunTzu2 01:43, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

*Sigh* Found another reason to automate the process, my IP (which is dynamic) keeps getting blocked!!! --SunTzu2 03:16, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I guess the only way to solve this is to spread the word to as many people as possible. Eventually, you won't be the only one changing it. How's the bot going? --Munchkinguy 03:22, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Like I said before, I don't know about programming stuff. I was hoping someone who does would help us. --SunTzu2 02:35, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Page layout

Actually, I hate the way that this page is laid out. Why not lay it out almanac-style instead? So that, for any one day, you don't have to look at two or more different grids for the info? --User:Juuitchan

That can be done, but it will result in extreamly large cells and some additional formating. You're welcome to try though. Any help will be appreciated. --SunTzu2 03:03, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I mean like in a paper almanac, where each day is on its own line. --User:Juuitchan

Isn't almanac style used in the 'year articles"? --Munchkinguy 18:56, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There are already such articles, for example November 3. --Munchkinguy 01:13, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I mean, like in the American almanac called the Old Farmer's Almanac, for instance. --User:Juuitchan

All I remember from the Old Farmer's Almanac (I don't read them very often) is that it predicts the weather for the entire year. Could you show a picture of what format you are talking ambout? --Munchkinguy 17:27, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Daylight Savings Time

DST may not exactly be celebrated (although that can debated), it is an official occasion recongized by law in many countries. Also, many calendars (at least the ones we buy) show daylight savings time. It's also important for people to know when it starts. Plus, it isn't on the April 3 article. --Munchkinguy 18:54, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

For the reasons listed above, I believe that Daylight Savings Time should be put on the calendar. --Munchkinguy 19:29, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Very well... --SunTzu2 00:55, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Winter Solstice/Summer Solstice

I am changing "Northern Winter Solstice" to "Solstice", because the "Southern Summer" Solstice is on the same day. Any comments? --Munchkinguy 01:43, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)