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I also saw that one of the articles you edited was Whites in Zimbabwe. As you may have noticed, Wikipedia is always in need of more Africa editors. I don't know if this is a continued area of interest for you, but if it is, here's some other links that you may want to check out:

Good luck, and happy editing! If you ever have any questions, feel free to leave a note on my talk page; lots of folks helped me when I first got here and I'm always glad to pay it forward! --Dvyost 18:19, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

For your extensive work in articles pertaining to Rhodesia, I award you The Barnstar of National Merit. Wizzy…☎ 10:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
For your extensive work in articles pertaining to Rhodesia, I award you The Barnstar of National Merit. Wizzy…☎ 10:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)










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[edit] The Betelguese incident

How does one go about altering the spelling of an article title?. I have spent some time writing The Betelguese incident but now find that the correct spelling is Betelgeuse. Any help is appreciated. Bob BScar23625 12:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

On the top of the screen you should see a tab called move. Press it and type the correct title. Write clearly in the object why you are doing this move so that no one will think of a vandalism. Hope I was helpful :-) --Bertolotti 12:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

thanks posted to Bertolotti talk page

[edit] Encouragement

Hi Bob you are doing wonders with the gulf oil article keep up the good work. I added a photo request to betelgeuse(sp) disaster article. Gideon aka Gnangarra 15:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

response posted to Gnangarra talk page

Ok I've read both and already nominated Gulf Oil, The Betelgeuse incident I have made some adjustments and left some cite notations suggest that a little more time be taken to clean this one up some more. Gideon Gnangarra 12:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

response posted to Gnangarra talk page

[edit] Why

The why is simple you nominated it as a GA, I was working through GA when I read Gulf oil found it interesting but needing some work which you have done. As a break/rethink/learning process I did for a while just read/edit/suggest items on random articles but with the GA process the editors are more open to suggestions. Gnangarra 08:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

response posted to Gnangarra talk page

[edit] Your Zim contributions

Just wanted to drop a random line of thanks for your excellent contributions in this field. Keep up the good work! dewet|✉ 14:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

response posted to Dewet talk page


[edit] Re: Image:Chelsy2.JPG

Hi, thanks for writing. First, to link to an image without actually using the image, place a colon inside the first set of double brackets, like this: [[:Image:Chelsy2.JPG]]. Second, I believe the current fair use rational is accurate, but the source is necessary; a web link to the page where the original was found is preferable or, if not on the web, the exact publication, date (if possible) and page (if possible). Thanks! RadioKirk talk to me 14:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

response posted to RadioKirk talk page

Glad to help. :) RadioKirk talk to me 15:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks and intimidation are not acceptable on Wikipedia

You have scurrilously inferred that the edit I made was motivated by racism. This is is an outrageous slur and pure intimidation. My only motive was statistical accuracy. The article said there were 270,000 whites, and another article said the population was 5 million. The former is 5.4% of the latter.

Please read Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. If you do not think you will be able to comply with them, please consider whether Wikipedia is a suitable environment for you to work in. You should note that while political bias is accepted in academia, Wikipedia requires a Neutral point of view. Olborne 15:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

response to Olborne talk page.

Demographics of Zimbabwe shows it as 5 million in 1969. The source is the FAO. Olborne 16:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

response to Olborne talk page

See (1), (2), (3), (4), (5)

[edit] P. K. van der Byl

I've nominated "that dreadful man van der Byl" for featured article status again. Please feel free to leave comments. David | Talk 10:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

response posted to David's talk page

Sorry, don't understand - why can't you post a support message? David | Talk 13:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

response posted to David's talk page

[edit] Whites in Zimbabwe

I'm pretty sure that this can be got up to scratch. The image copyrights at the moment are dodgy and need fixing (the postcard with no source, for instance, should probably be removed and deleted: it's clearly under copyright but it's not clear to the uploader who to) and sources and copyright holders need to be identified for the remaining pictures but that shouldn't be too hard. The presence of fair use rationales is good though if you read through WP:FU there is a counterexamples section. One of the things explicitly listed is "A photo from a press agency (e.g. Reuters, AP), not so famous as to be iconic, to illustrate an article on the subject of the photo. If photos are themselves newsworthy (e.g. Muhammad cartoons), low resolution versions of the photos may be fair use in related articles." Photographs from newspapers are likely to be owned by the agency that took them. Or bought them from the photographer concerned, of course. TheGrappler 15:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC))

I'm mildly surprised that there aren't any free use images of other Zimbabwean whites. There are quite a lot of Grant Flower (check out his article), but arguably he's South African anyway - it would be nice if there were some free use photos of his rather more notable brother, though! TheGrappler 15:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

response posted to TheGrappler's talk page

[edit] Featured Article Candidate

There can often be delays in closing featured article candidates, but it gets frustrating when it's arbitrary whether a nomination gets closed. Raul654 is in charge of featured articles and making the decision on when to promote them or close the nomination. You might want to visit his talk page to raise this, and ask whether he is inclined to promote the article. As far as I can see there's a good case that all the actionable objections have been dealt with. Perhaps it's worth saying that an article on an African topic which mostly concerns the 1960s and 1970s is a fairly specialist topic so it's not surprising that not many people have commented. David | Talk 20:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

response to Dbiv and Raul654 talk pages

[edit] Cross Fell

Thanks for the invitation but I'm afraid visiting Cross Fell is not in my near-future plans, although I am now certainly a bit more likely to stop if I ever am anywhere close to it. Pascal.Tesson 09:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use image

Hmmm, that's an interesting one. It's a high class image, that's for certain. The image has certain unique characteristics in terms of content (it would be damned hard to reproduce an image of a woman with a gun and a baby) but also in terms of style (it happens to be a very good photo).

Part of the key to understanding fair use is the need for it to be "transformative" - very handy for film posters for instance (which are in theory "transformed" from being pieces of advertising into an image offered for study to complement an article on the subject) and very bad for reusing textbook illustrations (not transformed at all). The failure to transform the use of an image is often at play with news-type photographs as well. Here, I'm not sure. The image would make sense as fair use in an article about the photographer - for displaying the photograph's style.

One problem with using it in the Zimbabwean whites article is that it doesn't quite capture a "unique historical event" and neither does the image seem to be so remarkable as to be the "iconic" image of a Zimbabwean white. The fact that an image is hard to reproduce tends to suggest that fair use is more likely to be valid, but on the flip side, if it's impossible to reproduce simply because it's very good then that might not hold true... it's obviously so good that it is a potentially valuable piece of work, which fair use law tends to protect.

I guess my biggest reservation is that maybe the photograph is "too good" - perhaps the photograph itself dominates over the subject? I couldn't help feeling from looking at it that it was telling me more about the photographer than about the subject of the photograph, and certainly told me more about the photographer than about Zimbabwean whites in general. It's an interesting one and I'm not sure quite what to think. Try posting on Wikipedia:Fair use review - they're normally pretty helpful. Hope that helps! TheGrappler 23:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

response to TheGrappler talk page, and Fair Use review requested

[edit] Doubtful Lada

The "doubtful" image appears to be one of a genuine Lada concept car (do a Google Image search); not vandalism. I haven't put it back because its copyright status is unclear, but that's something different altogether. If that's sorted, it can go back. 195.112.34.14 17:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The picture of a futuristic model car, posted by an anonymous contributor, looks just like a spoof. Sorry if I am mistaken. If you do re-insert the picture, then please put some explanatory text and a reference with it. Best wishes. Bob BScar23625 18:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alec Smith

Thanks for your improvements and additions to the article on Alec Smith. When I wrote the original after seeing his obituary in the Times, I was hoping it might act as a catalyst for other people to add further information about him. Thanks for expanding it from what was just a précis from a single source. - Euchiasmus 09:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Euchiasmus. I will add more to it as time and opportunity allows. Bob BScar23625 15:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Just wanted to let you know that I responded to your question about references on Talk:Alec Smith. Debuskjt 19:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks posted to Talk:Alec Smith page BScar23625 06:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Betelgeuse1.JPG

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Thanks for uploading Image:Betelgeuse1.JPG. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. —Bkell (talk) 18:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Brian. Thanks for your note. I have added a Rationale to the image page. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 19:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gulf Oil logo

Hi Bob I've kinda had one of those weeks where every where I turn I'm manouvering brickwalls with my forehead and its starting to hurt. For now I going to drift off into the setting sun smell the roses and enjoy spring as it reveals itself to Perth Australia. Anyhow if you need my input just drop a note on my talk page I'll come and busta few more heads. Keep smiling 8-) Gnangarra 10:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Gideon. Thanks for your support. Brian seems to have latched onto this peculiar issue and pursues it with bulldog tenacity. I can only guess at what drives him .... Bob BScar23625 13:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bantry Bay

Hey Bob those maps are very crude, there as some maps on commons:Category:Ireland maps, none name bantry bay but they do show especially the Cork map (GFDL/GNU map you can add labels to) when you re upload just mention the original source map, you could lable one of these. the alternative is to see what NASA has in it satelite collections (I'll dig through there). Between us we should be able to get better maps.

Gideon. Yes, but I am trying to get these Fair Use Jesuits off my back. Some well-intentioned guy loaded a map of Ireland the other day, claiming that it was "self created". Unfortunately, I knew where he had got it from. I would suggest you leave the sketch maps for a few days before doing anything. Bob BScar23625 14:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

No worries Gnangarra

[edit] Image:Sschools.jpg

Since the english Wikipedia servers are hosted in the United States, we are not bound by Scottish laws on child endangerment. We are only bound by international treaties like the Berne Convention. However, I've reported this to Interpol so maybe they will get the law-breaking Scot that uploaded the image :-) -Nv8200p talk 13:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

response posted to User_talk:Nv8200p

The only laws in the U.S. (state or federal) I know of deal with child pornography. If you know of any pornographic images of children on Wikipedia, I would be happy to deal with them. The laws of other countries are irrelevent to me as long as I'm in the U.S. For what we have on Wikipedia, I'm sure we could be beheaded in any Muslim country or put in forced labor camps in China or North Korea. If you can cite any treaty that says the U.S. has to abide by any of the child-protection laws of other countries, I might be interested. The English Wikipedia servers are in Florida I believe. If you can cite some U.S federal law or Florida state law that codifies this, I'd be interested. What laws the other U.S. states may have is irrelevent as to what can be posted on Wikipedia.
What FriendsReunited does is their business and will have to deal with the consequences if any occur, which is doubtful. However, Wikipedia has chosen to adhere to a higher standard. I am not out to enforce copyright law, but Wikipedia policy, which is built on U.S. copyright law. Why do I do this? I don't know.
There are really only two children I am interested in protecting and those are mine and that is why we own lots of guns in the U.S. :-) Nv8200p talk 15:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

response posted to User_talk:Nv8200p

I have absolutely no special insight into Wikipedia policy. I read what is written and, as everyone does, try to interpret it as best I can based on the limited knowledge I have and with input from anyone else in the community who cares to provide an argument. Then, as an administrator, I enforce the policy based on my judgement. Sometimes I keep the image, sometimes I delete the image.
Some folks like User:Abu badali and Brian are more hardline with their interpretations and that is fine. Abu has a problem with fair use and questions the use of them and there is nothing wrong with that. If a copyrighted image cannot stand up to the scrutiny of how it is used, then, in my opinion, the image should go.
I am not a member of any group. If someone asks for my opinion, I oblige them and give it. Opinions are like assholes. We all have them and they all stink, but assholes are worth more. :-) -Nv8200p talk 17:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

response posted to User_talk:Nv8200p

Tell me the relevance of it to our discussion. It was a tongue-in-cheek response to anonymous hate mail. I did not realize it had anything to do with your posting. I thought you just didn't put a title up -Nv8200p talk

response posted to User_talk:Nv8200p

The exchange from the anonymous IP was never referred to in our postings. To leave it there is non sequitur. I also see no real logic in leaving our banterings on my talk page for 60 days. -Nv8200p talk 18:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

response posted to User_talk:Nv8200p

[edit] Red link

Thanks for explaining that! I'll revert myself. David Cannon 21:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)



[edit] Notes

August 2006 - To fix reference duplication problem, append ?action=purge to the end of the page URL

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