Talk:Bridges in Kiev

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An entry from Bridges in Kiev appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 15 February 2006.

[edit] Moving

I moved this from "Kiev bridges" to "List of bridges in Kiev" on the grounds that the article is essentially a list (compare: List of bridges in Cambridge) and the format for lists of bridges in localities in generally "List of bridges in Foo" rather than "List of Foo bridges", a format that is generally used for bridges over the River Foo. The addition of the word "list" is not meant to denigrate this article at all; rather, it seems appropriate as more than one bridge is dealt with. Presumably articles for the individual bridges will appear at a later date; it would still be worth leaving a short entry here and including a "Main article: Moskovskyi Bridge" type link. --TheGrappler 17:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Please do not move articles without proposing at talk and giving others time to respond. It is a simple informal courtesy. No one demands a WP:RM listing but checking with involved editors is always a good idea.

I moved the article back. This is certainly not a list article. Please wait for what others would say before any other moves. Thanks! --Irpen 18:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not a list of bridges, but description of bridges. I'm against the move. Uapatriot 18:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I moved it at "Bridges in Kiev", for standardization with other articles which use the "<structures> in <location>" template. I hope nobody minds. :-) bogdan 19:08, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

My apologies for ticking people off, would have been a good idea to consult on this one. Kiev bridges was certainly misformed which is why I decided to be bold. Looking around, the page this seemed closest to in style and format was the List of bridges in Cambridge (which also contains descriptions) so I picked "List of ..." for a title; while this is more than a bullet point list, it certainly does list the bridges in Kiev, ergo it is a list of sorts. Bogdan had the right idea though, I think, so thanks. --TheGrappler 02:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:DYK

(Copied from my talk page, there is concern about some of the cites in the article ++Lar: t/c 01:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC))

There is another claim on WP:DYK which needs to be substantiated: *... that the 1,543 metres long Paton Bridge over the Dnieper River, constructed in 1953, was the first fully welded steel construction of such length in the world to the date of construction? --Ghirla | talk 09:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

The structurae entry is here: http://en.structurae.de/structures/data/index.cfm?ID=s0005660 it confirms the length (but only 1500m not 1543), designer, and construction date but not the welded claim. Did you ask the article author (it looks like user:DDima added the info)? This site: http://www.nas.gov.ua/pwj/e03no10.html gives a glimmer that it might be true. This is the same article but it's only a precis, not the whole article: http://www.iaw.com.ua/english/conferences/curre.html ... Borys_Paton refers to it being the first welded bridge in Kiev. So on judgement, without further cites, I'd say "not confirmed", but "possible". Hope that helps. Next time, feel free to ask at the bridges project page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Bridges), as others there are better researchers than I. Happy editing! ++Lar: t/c 00:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

PS see this article... http://www.ukraine-observer.com/articles/193/324 it corroborates well... if it's europe's longest of any sort it may be the longest welded. ++Lar: t/c 01:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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If I may be so bold, this article could benefit from more sourcing of some of the facts, and links to other sites with the bridge info... the structurae site is quite good. I hope the links I gave above are of some assistance. Happy editing, seems a neat project! ++Lar: t/c 01:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Podolskyi Railroad Bridge

1. When was the bridge initially constructed?
   
2. When was it rebuilt after WWII?
   

• According to this article by a professor of geography:
  

У 1929 році у північній частині Києва через Дніпро перекинули ще один залізничний міст — Подільський, або Петрівський. Під час війни він не зазнав значних руйнувань. Відтак уже в 1944-му його відбудували.

• According to the current version of the article, the bridge was constructed during WWI and was rebuilt in 1954.

I think the case here is a different undertanding between transit and reconstruction. It may well have been that in 1944 using temporary measures transit could have been resotred, but the bridge was not fully repaired until 10 years later. --Kuban Cossack 11:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)