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Contents 1 Children 2 Pro Bowl 3 Possible copyright violation 4 Removal 5 Previous position ? 6 Pro Bowls 7 GA on hold 8 GA passed

[edit] Children

It says he had one child, Pamela, with his ex-wife. Who is the mother of his children Riley and Kennedy? I think this information should be in the article. Or at least it should say that he had two other children through previous relationships.

The Tyna Robertson case is getting a lot of news here in Chicago, but I feel the way this article is written is very NPOV towards her. This article seems to paint her as the villain solely based on her previous claim against Michael Flatley. There is nothing in this article about Urlacher's visitation rights or his demand that she drop the child off at his house on his days.68.166.88.10 23:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The JockBio article may be a little out of data, so I should probably look who is the mother of his other children. While I have heard that Urlacher put up a fight to secure custody of his children, I'll look it up too. (There was something about it here. Thanks for the input :) --ShadowJester07 00:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I went and did some seaching. Kennedy is the name of his child with Tyna Robertson. I am not sure if Kennedy's last name is Robertson or Urlacher. Since Kennedy appears to live full-time with Ms. Robertson (which is the reason behind Urlacher's custody dispute - he wants to see the child more often and wants Ms. Robertson to drive Kennedy to his home or meet him halfway in between), I think the statement in the article that he "lives with his three children Pamela, Riley and Kennedy" needs revision. I still have not been able to find out who is the mother of Riley.68.166.88.10 16:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pro Bowl

Why is Urlacher skipping out on the Probowl this year? I never heard if he had an injury or what.

I'm not exactly sure, I guess he didn't want to go. --ShadowJester07 03:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The Chad Johnson dance comment had little or nothing to do with Urlacher.

[edit] Possible copyright violation

Parts of this article seem to be take directly (or with minimal rephrasing) from the copyrighted entry at http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Urlacher/Urlacher_bio.html. - David Oberst 04:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh? I made sure to paraphrase most of the article. Sorry, but I re-wrote this article during the period of my life where I would only get three hours of sleep a day. ;-) Are there any parts in particular that stick out? I'll gladly fix them. --ShadowJester07 05:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

To avoid copyvio problems, one should take the basic facts, but provide one's own selection, arrangment, ordering, and writing. What you seem to have done is taken certain of the paragraphs from the jockbio site, and merely replaced some words with synonyms, reordered some clauses, etc. I came across the jockbio site by accident, but it was immediately obvious that it was the direct source of much of this article's text. There are probably a number of admins or editors who deal with copyright issues on a regular basis, and I'll see I can track one down for a consult. My suspicion is that a fair amount of work will be needed so that the jockbio people won't have a legitimate cause for complaint. - David Oberst 05:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, Thanks for your helpful advice :) On Second thought, I think I maybe be able to rework portions of the article which were *ahem* "borroweed" from the JockBio Website. --ShadowJester07 05:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I was just going to slap the copyvio tag on this, but if you want to try rewriting it I'll hold off and check back after the weekend. Doing your own writing will also help avoid some of the unintentional humour your paraphrasing introduced - I was particularly amused by the implication that his high school training was the cause of his growing five inches, or the mental image generated when I am told that UNM "fell before" the Wildcats! - David Oberst 05:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal

Removed "Many NFL icons such as Tom Brady, and Jeff Garcia have admitted to being intimidated by Brian" as the link provided (http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Urlacher/Urlacher_mysay.html) said nothing of the sort. Thedoorhinge 02:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Opps, It's under the "They Say" section --ShadowJester07 03:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

"You watch him play and he’s all over the place.” —Patriots quarterback Tom Brady... that means he's intimidated? give me a break. Removed it again. Thedoorhinge 03:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Previous position ?

In his college years it says he was converted to LB, but does not say where he played before.

His original position, Safety. ;) The same position he played during his early years of school. --ShadowJester07 15:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pro Bowls

Urlacher is a four time Pro Bowler, not a five time Pro Bowler. Although his Bears bio calls him a "five time Pro Bowl selection," that is misleading, as it counts 2004, when he was named a first alternate for the Pro Bowl, he wasn't actually named to the team. He's only actually been selected to four Pro Bowls (2001, 2002, 2003, and 2005). See:2005 Pro Bowl (which is the Pro Bowl played following the 2004 season in question).-PassionoftheDamon 01:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

Hi, I just read over the article and gave it an evaluation according to WP:WIAGA . In general, it is a nice article, and definitely in GA range, but still has room for improvement.

1. Well written - Pass.
2. Verifiable - FAIL. "Early life" and "college career" are quite under-referenced; 1 ref pro paragraph is near-mandatory. Also the "professional career" part could verified better. Also, he is an athlete, so putting in some remarkable stats (especially regular-season stats, not just single games) seems more than appropriate. Why is he a 4/5-time Pro Bowler and NFL Defensive Player of the Year? What is his role in the "smothering Bears defense"? Is he one cog in the machine, or the leader? Tell us! :) In general, these sections should look just like "personal life", which is the one section which is really bullet-proof referenced.
3. Broad - Pass. Great athlete, great role model, video game icon.
4. NPOV - Neutral. "Monster of the Gridiron"? Has someone remarkable said that? I am not an NFL follower.
5. Stable - Pass. See history of this article.
6. Images - FAIL. Unfortunately, the NFL video game pic lacks a fair use rationale for Brian Urlacher, it only states it is used to show the game in question, NFL 2K3. Please add these lines.

Looking forward to your wiki-ing, —Onomatopoeia 14:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I've added some more references which should verify and support Urlacher's professional and college career. It has been kind of difficult, but I've included some statistics which should distinguish Urlacher as one of the Bears' statistical leaders. I Changed "Monsters of the Gridiron" to "Monsters of the Midway", which is a nickname for Bears' greats. The picture's fair use rationale has also been fixed. :) --ShadowJester07 00:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It's close now. For the "Early life" and "College career", I noticed that nice jockbio link [1], which basically covers everything. Just put it in as a reference multiple times, thus sourcing he was parent of X and Y, his mother had a hard life with multiple jobs, he was a receiver / safety, he struggled initially under Franchione and thrived under Long etc. That jockbio link then should appear as "jockbio.com a b c d e f g h" or such, thus providing rock-solid reference for these parts. If you do that, I'll award the GA. —Onomatopoeia 08:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I added the Multi References, which cover Urlacher's Early Life, and College career at under Franchione. I hope it's better now --ShadowJester07 23:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

After repairing your good multiple-referencing job, I have decided to pass this article. Congratulations!

1. Well written - pass. I am defititely more interested in Urlacher.
2. Verifiable - pass. Now very securely referenced.
3. Broad - Pass. See above.
4. NPOV - so-so pass. Still not entirely comfy with "monsters", but that's just me I guess.
5. Stable - Pass.
6. Images - Pass. Image now well added under fair use.
7. Misc - yes, I changed the article myself, but only to fix a well-meant, but not perfectly executed referencing job (ref names must not be seperated by blank spaces)

Keep up the good job. If you want to promote it as an FA though (featured article), be sure to get a peer review first, this will weed out many little errors. But as of now, have fun with that green cross. —Onomatopoeia 21:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice, help, time. :) --ShadowJester07 23:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)