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• I'm at least three deep in edits that are open and partial, the wife just got home and wants attention, and this sentence needs reworked to the proper meaning given the correct answer:

• • The overseas port is not part of the city Bremerhaven but under the direct jurisdiction of the city of Bremen, one of the historic members of the Hanseatic League.

• The problem here is which overseas port or ports is meant to be discribed. Bremen (city) in Bremen (state), being of the Hanseatic League, almost certainly has an 'International Overseas Port', which, if one 'also exists' at Bremerhaven, (entirely likely) was the cause of the confusion on the original editors part. Because there are really two ports, but the one at Bremerhaven is administered from the bigger one in Bremer.

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Note especially the sentence containing 'confusingly...'

Today Bremerhaven is therefore, confusingly, part of the state of Bremen but is a city in its own right...

That indeed is what I suspect is the likely case two port facilities fifty [km] apart on the river.

I'll leave the rewording to lucky you, once the research is definitive. Given that update, feel free to remove both templates.

• Be advised I placed them in the section embedded directly in the text which made a single paragraph. (Just CTRL-F and find on the Clean in the edit all window... can't miss it! <G>)

FrankB 02:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

What's a twin city? I've seen it several times but I don't know what it means. RJFJR 01:37, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

That's why there is a convenient wikilink to Town twinning right in the heading of the twin cities paragraph.... --Doco 10:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Usually called "sister city" in the US. thx1138 12:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

• some remarks:

visiting the home page of Bremen (state) you will find the slogan "Bremen und Bremerhaven; Zwei Städte - ein Land" (that translates into: Bremen and Bremerhaven; two cities - one [federal] state)

visiting the (english) home page of Bremen (state) you can find a part about Bremerhaven: But Bremerhaven is more: it is also part of the state of the "Free Hanseatic City of Bremen", Germany's only two-city state consisting of the cities of Bremen and Bremerhaven. Two cities, one state, which, however, are not united geographically. A distance of 60 kilometres lies between the two cities.

visiting the history section of Bremerhaven you will find:

Nach Kriegsende gehörte das zum amerikanischen Nachschubhafen für Deutschland ausersehene Wesermünde mit Bremen zur amerikanischen Enklave innerhalb der britischen Besatzungszone und wurde 1947, unter Umbenennung in Bremerhaven, Teil des neuen Bundeslandes Bremen. (that roughly translates into: After the end of the war Wesermünde was the designated harbour for supply of the forces of the U.S. in Germany and together with Bremen was part of an U.S. enclave within the British zone. In 1947 Wesermünde - not without being renamed into Bremerhaven - became part of the new federal state Bremen.) iiegn 21:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relationship between Bremen and Bremerhaven and administration of "overseas port"

As I understand it, the following hierarchichal and treaty relations exist:

1. the Land: "Freie und Hansestadt Bremen" comprises the cities of Bremen and Bremerhaven, which are not geographically contiguous (about 60 km apart).
2. The sea port known as the Überseehafen ("Overseas Port") located geographically at Bremerhaven belongs to the city of Bremen, though there is a treaty between Bremen and Bremerhaven which provides that it shall be administered by Bremerhaven.
3. There was also an "overseas port" geographically located at Bremen, but I think this was closed because, as a river port, it was no longer suitable for large container ships.

--Boson 22:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Having done a bit more research to corroborate, I have edited the article and removed the cleanup tags. The situation is rather complicated, so I hope the explanation is not too convoluted. I think the situation is sufficiently unique (if I may be excused the expression) as to be noteworthy but also sufficiently unusual as to require a citation for verification, so I added a footnote referring to the Bremerhaven constitution. I couldn't find anything in English. --Boson 00:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Another noteworthy feature of the Bremerhaven constitution is that the town apparently has (non-delegated) authority (Hoheit) over the police and schools, which are usually the reponsibility of the Land. Might be worth adding, when researched properly, since it appears to be unique. --Boson 12:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)