User talk:Brandon Dilbeck

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Hello, Brandon Dilbeck, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Oh, thank you. --Brandon Dilbeck

Why, thanks! That made my day! --Brandon Dilbeck 05:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Turtle Club 2 Tetris Attack 3 What's up? 4 "Moving stuff" 5 TMNT movies 6 Lemon-Lime 7 Pokémon Ability Article is AfD 8 Quilava 9 User:Disavian/Userboxes/United States 10 deletion of nav links in Pokemon items 11 Fire Pokémon / Electric Pokémon 12 Userboxes 13 Religion? 14 Religion in Pokémon 15 a request for your two cents 16 Sorting out Pokémon by evolutionary stage 17 Reverted change 18 Wikilinking Pokémon species 19 Ex (relationship)

[edit] Turtle Club

If you want to be a turtle, you need to figure out the answers! Stepp-Wulf 01:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Tetris Attack

Why did you revert my spelling changes? Typically, American spellings (leveling, neighboring, etc.) are used in video game articles. Also, according to Microsoft Word's spell-checker, "replayabilty" is two words. Hope that cleared things up, RyanGerbil10 (Drop on in!) 04:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I assumed good faith, Ryan, but I merely just disagreed with some of the changes you made. Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way, I'm just a big stickler for grammar.

Switching between British and American English spellings can, often, and (in this case) does cause edit wars. In essense, the entire thing is pointless--switching the spelling doesn't usually change the meaning anyway. I only switched these spellings back so I could easily make one whole revert (sorry if I was being lazy!). So that's why I switched neighboring and levelling back.

I had to switch the semi-colon back because you were using it to separate a dependent clause from the rest of the sentence, and you're supposed to use a comma for this. A semi-colon is not the correct thing to put there.

Microsoft Word's spell checker isn't always the best resource for big, obscure words such as "replayability". Try typing a chemistry report--it tells you that every other word is wrong, it seems! Replayability is an acceptable word according to another Wikipedia article.

Thanks for bringing up the discussion. I hope this won't lead to an edit war.

--Brandon Dilbeck 05:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry I flipped out over spelling... It's been a long, lonely week in Crystal Lake, Illinois (I sell shoes for a living). It's nice not to have edit wars, especially over spelling, although it would get us a place at WP:LAME. Cheers! (and I should go to bed), RyanGerbil10 (Drop on in!) 05:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's up?

Hey Brandon. It's me, that Jonathan dude. My username is General456 if you're wondering. Strangely, I have multiple accounts on this wiki that I don't use except this one. Just saying because it's boring over here and I woke up at 8:30 for no darn reason... --General456 14:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

All right, sweet. --Brandon Dilbeck 14:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

So, I guess we're the same. I'm a nerd and you're a nerd (or geek). Spazz...O_O And what I mean by nerd, that's a good thing. In my definition, nerd means pure genius. --General456 19:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Do I know you? --Brandon Dilbeck 20:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Moving stuff"

It's very common for websites to refer to themselves by their domain names, to encourage people to remember the domain name. That doesn't mean that's how Wikipedia has to refer to them, however. I've moved more than a few articles away from domain name titles, some with sysop assistance, for naming consistency — we can't have half of our website articles ending in .com just because the website ops want people to know the address to their sites. If you want to put this issue up for debate somewhere (perhaps a websites section on Wikipedia:Naming conventions?), feel free, but it doesn't make sense to wait for a concensus on every single page move, because there are just too many of them. ~ Booya ^Bazooka 21:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TMNT movies

Sorry, I didn't see that you had changed the titles of the TMNT movies on purpose. I didn't mean to pull a rapid revert on you like that. In my cleanup this afternoon, I had considered using the long-form titles of the movies for the same reason--to avoid confusion with the 2007 movie. But I decided against it because, I dunno, it just looked big and cumbersome in the table of contents. I think it could go either way, but clarity is probably better in this case. Thanks for making the changes, and again, I didn't mean to step on your toes. --Wild Goose 18:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lemon-Lime

I do support your move of "Brands of Lemon Lime Soda" to its own template, but your edit description confused me. Lemon Lime IS citrus, since both lemons and limes are citrus fruits. Just FYI. ~ Porphyric Hemophiliac § 14:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I just couldn't think of anything better to say. --Brandon Dilbeck 15:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pokémon Ability Article is AfD

The article Pokémon ability is under nomination for deletion, and I thought that after all the hard work you had done adding the secondary effects and fixing the rest of the wikilinks in the article, you might like to pitch in your two cents before the admins decide to trash the article. --Brandon Dilbeck 02:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the notifying me 0-172 16:42, 24 August (UTC)

[edit] Quilava

I reverted all the edits because it's easier to revert a huge bunch of edits that have a whole different array of errors in one go, and then fix the things I've caused (which you can see). I, as a Pokémon editor, specialise in Starter Pokémon, I've wrote Torchic and Combusken, and helped with Charizard, Pikachu and Mudkip, and there is a style guide to them, not only the PCP style guide, but sections where certain things go, and generic openings for all the articles, to maintain the Starter Pokémon continuity. I obviously missed an error the first time, which I later fixed. Sorry again, Highway ^{Return to Oz...} 18:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I really appreciate that you want every Pokémon article to have a specific format, but I don't think it's appropriate to revert other users' edits to change some formatting issues, especially if there are decent edits you're reverting as well. I had removed some redundant material which you've reverted--the "In the video games" section now states twice that Quilava can be obtained by evolving one of the starter Pokémon from Pokémon GSC; readers only need to know this once.

Also, you changed a sentence I fixed from "Quilava turn their backs to their opponent" (here, "Quilava" is used in a plural form, as the generic species) to "Quilava turns their backs on their opponent". I have two issues with the sentence as it is now. First of all, there's a subject-verb number disagreement--you could say "Quilava turn their backs" or "Quilava turns its back" but to say that something "turns their backs" is incorrect because "turns" is a singular verb, and you're using it with "their backs", which is plural. Also, you say that Quilava turn their backs "on their opponent". This isn't the right preposition to use here--if I "turned my back on you", that would mean that I'm ignoring, betraying, or walking away from you.

I may be new at the PCP, but I'm certainly not a noob at writing good-sounding articles. It would be more considerate for you to run through an article and fix specific things rather than generically reverting all our work.

--Brandon Dilbeck 18:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Have you viewed Quilava's talk page? -Zappernapper 20:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

That's funny. --Brandon Dilbeck 20:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think he even bothers reading my talk page, i understood what you were trying to say. I've mentioned it before but he thinks that his way is better, at least he went and fixed some of the errors he reverted. after 3 reverts i was done - trying to confront him through his talk (here and here), bringing up questions in Quilava's talk, and asking other's opinions at the PCP all proved fruitless. I've moved onto non-species articles, because he doesn't appear to "own" those.

"I, as a Pokémon editor, specialise in Starter Pokémon, I've wrote Torchic and Combusken, and helped with Charizard, Pikachu and Mudkip, and there is a style guide to them, not only the PCP style guide, but sections where certain things go, and generic openings for all the articles, to maintain the Starter Pokémon continuity."

I guess he wouldn't be too happy to know that I've since edited the style guide. oh well -Zappernapper 21:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah... I don't really like the generic openings for every species article. They make all the articles sound too similar. If I wanted to know what Pokémon was, I'd click on the blue wikilink at the beginning of the article. --Brandon Dilbeck 21:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

In all fairness i actually understand it to an extent... we shouldn't write the articles assuming the person has clicked on other links, and giving them a uniform intro isn't all bad. It makes sense to give the pokemon's name, a brief sentence describing what pokemon is, then go into the details concerning that specific species. The intro is just something most people are going to gloss over anyway. My main issue is the fact that he ignores wikipedia guidelines and fails to even make an attempt at righting things himself. I've already mentioned his behavior to CelestianPower, maybe someone who he actually respects will say something to him about it. -Zappernapper 04:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Disavian/Userboxes/United States

Thanks for the fix :) —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 01:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] deletion of nav links in Pokemon items

you stated your reason as "you wouldn't see these in a paper encyclopedia" well at the risk of sounding belligerent - Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. The list has gotten substantially long, and many articles refer to specific places within the article, not just the top. I added that due to the fact that personally i found it it tedious scrolling up and down that VERY long article when browsing and thought others might feel the same. I've noticed that it's not actually a common practice, but i find it ironic that it's used effectively elsewhere on the web while wiki has yet to embrace its functionality. -Zappernapper 05:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I put the links back in. I just thought that if people wanted to go to the top of the article, they could scroll there themselves. --Brandon Dilbeck 05:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fire Pokémon / Electric Pokémon

Regarding the colors used in the templates, let's not use the colors used in 3G Pokémon games. I much prefer the TCG colors and the Pokémon Stadium colors to the Ruby/Sapphire ones, and prefer sticking to colors with X11 color names. We previously color coded the infoboxes based on type, but was removed for readability. We should IMO be more creative (IMO, Fire should obviously be red). Here is my prefered color scheme:

• Normal - Tan
• Fire - Red
• Water - Blue
• Grass - Green
• Electric - Gold
• Fighting - Maroon
• Ground - Brown
• Psychic - Pink
• Poison - Purple
• Ghost - Plum
• Ice - Lightblue
• Flying - Navy
• Rock - Gray
• Dragon - Orange
• Bug - Lightgreen
• Dark - Black
• Steel - Silver

Andros 1337 15:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: Oops, when I reverted those templates, I forgot to login. Andros 1337 15:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I was just thinking we should use the officially used colors instead of simple X11 color names. That way, we wouldn't have to worry about having to make up colors (I don't remember Dragon Pokémon ever being referred to as orange; it's always been a dark teal color). The hex triplets of the colors as used in the games have been listed in the PCP's talk page, in case you didn't know. I just thought it'd be nice to use the real colors used in the games (a soft, orange color instead of bright red for Fire). --Brandon Dilbeck 16:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

However, those colors are not universally applied. The TCG uses a different color scheme from the 3G games, and even Pokemon Stadium used a different scheme. In most media, Fire is usually associated with red, plus that the color association of the classical element of Fire is traditionally red. Andros 1337 18:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The trading card game only deals with 9 types (right?), so it doesn't even deal with all of them, or account for the types that aren't in the game. (What color would Bug be if it were in the card game? Green's already taken by Grass.) Maybe we could post this conflict on the Pokémon Collaborative Project's talk page and see what other Pokémon fans say (and some might not even like this idea of adding templates). Oh, I just noticed that you're not in the PCP. You seem to like Pokémon; you should consider joining. --Brandon Dilbeck 19:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Bugs are also Grass types, so is Poison for that matter. Ice Pokémon are Water types, and Ghost Pokémon are Psychic types. Fighting, Ground and Rock is all one type, too. Highway ^Daytrippers 07:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

Hi Brandon. Yeah.. I had copied your nice boxes. I actually intended to make my own but I do not know how so I just took yours and see if I could modify anything but it seems hard.. Do you need me to remove the boxes from my page? kiewzhenyi Oh thanks, erm I think I should say sorry for stealing your userbox designs...

[edit] Religion?

You're atheist right? 134.139.24.216 18:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

You're trying to cause trouble, right? --Brandon Dilbeck 19:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I am just curious :) 134.139.24.211 20:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

You know, I take editors much more seriously when they sign up for an account. Your frequently changing IP address leaves me pretty much clueless about all of your past contributions, such as your attribution of the fact that I mentioned that we've never seen Squirtle pray. I don't want to give you any more "material". --Brandon Dilbeck 21:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Religion in Pokémon

No, it is not original research to add that. That's what Men in Black said! Look at the Misty talk page; he keeps saying that religion not once mentioned in the show when someone (not me) said that she was an atheist.

"Religion is not once mentioned in this article. Religion is not once mentioned in this series. Religion is not once mentioned in any Pokémon game, anime, or manga"

So religion is mentioned in the anime? Or was it never mentioned.

I feel that I should add this:

Fine! You win... I realized that this issue is waste of time. Fine, just because no one in the anime practices religion does not make it an atheistic cartoon. I just got carried away with my atheism and my obessession with Pokémon. Just leave stuff on the talk page to see what stupidity this leads to ok :) 4.231.167.105 02:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Want to see something cool? look --Brandon Dilbeck 02:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

All I did on the "criticism of Pokémon" page was say that religion was not mentioned in the show, and some of that article is about religion. So what is wrong with that?

That's not a good encyclopedia, where's the entry for Peter Singer. I like that guy as he is a moral person. Also contrast this Richard Dawkins with this: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins 4.231.167.105 03:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I already told you, and you already know: you have to PROVIDE SOURCES in an encyclopedia. It'd be totally unprofessional otherwise because people could tell all sorts of lies. That's where you're running into trouble here—you're adding no sources for this info of yours. The problem with "original research" (adding information that could be true, but it's not sourced) is that it can't be verified by others. What we're all saying is that there's no proof that there is no religion in the Pokémon world.

Look, if you really want this info about religion in the article, you would definitely get more response if you bring the idea up at the Pokémon Collaborative Project. There's a lot of high-status people there who seem more in charge of the Pokémon articles than me. I'm not the #1 guy to go to here. --Brandon Dilbeck 04:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

You said: "What we're all saying is that there's no proof that there is no religion in the Pokémon world."

In the article I said: "This claim is currently unsupported because religion (especially Christianity) was never mentioned in any episode of the anime."

I just said it wasn't mentioned in the show. I did not say religion didn't exist in the Pokémon world. Only a reference to a cross was mentioned (by Misty) and Noah's ark (by Brock), besides that it states nothing about people practicing religion.

This is exactly what Men in Black claimed in the Misty talk page:

"Religion is not once mentioned in this article. Religion is not once mentioned in this series. Religion is not once mentioned in any Pokémon game, anime, or manga"

So would you agree that religion is not mentioned in the show, just like Men in Black said? I am not saying that the Pokémon world is a world where religion does not exist in that edit. I only added it because it makes no sense for religious people to criticize a cartoon that doesn't mention religion.

Fine, I'll go to the PCP page to talk about religion. And I promise to stop saying anything specific about anyone characters' religious beliefs.

4.231.167.105 04:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, sorry, I misunderstood, or got confused or something. What I meant was this: "You need to provide proof that religion is not mentioned in the anime." --Brandon Dilbeck 05:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll stop, but you should ask Men in Black for support for that statement. He came up with it, not me. 4.231.167.105 05:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, first, the user's name is A Man In Black (talk • contribs), and second, I don't want to bug him. --Brandon Dilbeck 05:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

If I may jump in, why do you want sources for religion not appearing in the anime? Can we just keep religion out of the article entirely? Whether or not it exists, it isn't important. -- THL 06:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The section is about religion! It might be an interesting point if this person can find a reliable source. I honestly don't want to get too involved. --Brandon Dilbeck 06:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I misunderstood what you all were talking about. I thought it was the Misty thing again, my apologies. -- THL 13:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I was getting confused earlier in this discussion too. There's too much stuff going on in regards to religion in Pokémon. --Brandon Dilbeck 14:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] a request for your two cents

i noticed you're active right now so was wondering if you could take a look at a proposal i made for the PCP here. I value your opinions and have known you to be a fair, concientious editor who is often open to new ideas. Thanks! -Zappernapper 15:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I had seen that. I was going to comment on it but had to leave for college (but here I am now!). I'll be commenting on it. --Brandon Dilbeck 16:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

thanx! i know how real life can be... currently i don't have one, so i'm spending too much time here XD neways, i've responded to your concerns about vandalism at the talk page, and i hope i've assuaged any fears you may have. simply put, i've argued that vandalism is relatively minimal on templates when compared to actual articles themselves. and sprocting eliminates nearly all of vandalism against templates (yes there are rare exceptions). if you'd like to see how often vandalism really occurs at wikipedia, just view histories on homosexuality, bisexuality, and lesbianism... a majority of edits are vandalism and reversions. -Zappernapper 17:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it could be harder for noobs to vandalise because it's not as obvious how to get to a template to edit it. It took me quite a while myself to find how to get to template pages. --Brandon Dilbeck 18:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorting out Pokémon by evolutionary stage

Thanks for pointing the discussion out to me. As far as I can tell, it goes something like this: The fellas on the WikiProject want to put boxes on the bottom of each creature's page, to show how it evolves. However, why this mean deleting all of the work I've been spending the past four hours doing I don't quite get. Could you please explain this, as the idea that each critter shall not be organised by Stage-category is not apparant in the discussion you mentioned. - NP Chilla 22:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The point was to avoid using the terms "Baby", "Basic", "Stage 1", and "Stage 2", as there is some confusion over what stage Togepi is. It's unclear as to whether it's a Baby or Basic Pokémon. The trading cards actually conflict with each other (there's at least one with "Baby" and at least one with "Basic"), and to decide ourselves whether Togepi is Baby or Basic would be original research, and we aren't allowed to make that decision. The solution to the problem was to avoid using the terms altogether.

The "boxes" you described would list out each Pokémon's entire evolutionary line so that readers themselves could see where a Pokémon belongs in the evolutionary line without having to be given a term. Several in the WikiProject were diligently working on these boxes but it seems like we've gotten off track. I'm going to post a follow-up "reminder" in the project's talk page to see if we can get back on track. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, now I see. Thank you! - NP Chilla 08:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted change

I see my change was reverted before my eyes. Would you agree on "is the name of"? Respond at my talk page. Peter O. (Talk) 00:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

In the Pokémon species articles, we write about each Pokémon as if we're talking about all the Pokémon in the species. According to the Pokémon Collaborative Project's style guide,

Like sheep and fish, the plural of Pokémon is the same as the singular, and the same is true of each species, i.e., “One Snorlax, two Snorlax, green Snorlax, blue Snorlax”. Remember that you are talking about a species generally in the introduction, characteristics and video games sections - make sure you use "they are" not "it is".

I can see how this could be ugly with one-off Pokémon like Rayquaza and Celebi... I know! I suggest you start a discussion topic at the Pokémon Collaborative Project's talk page (where it'll get the most attention) about this problem. Sorry about the rapid revert, but generally, Pokémon in articles are referred to as plurals. --Brandon Dilbeck 00:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It's only the introduction, really, that bothers me, and nothing else. I've posted a message at the PCP's talk page just now. Peter O. (Talk) 00:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikilinking Pokémon species

You're right, Brandon, but the problem in Weedle's case is that, to my knowledge, there is no such animal as a "Hairy Bug" (hence simply wikifying "Bug").

However, you're spot on about diambiguations and I apologise if I've caused you any headaches!! - NP Chilla 17:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure everything will work out just fine in the end. --Brandon Dilbeck 21:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ex (relationship)

I put the line back. "Ex-Girlfriend" redirects to that page, which is the phrase I entered when I was looking up that song thinking that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and as such the song's relevance would trump the dicdef. Danny Lilithborne 00:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't catch that in the disambiguation link. My bad. --Brandon Dilbeck 14:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)