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[edit] Merge
The Merge of this page with City of Bradford is under discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Subdivisions --Tagishsimon
German pageis better than the English one.
[edit] Poor BCFC
Like the bit about "Less successful BCFC". leave that. And what do you mean "German page is better than the English one"? That's crap.--Crestville 21:53, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] German is better
It is true, the German page has some interesting info missing from the English page: A Nobel Laureate from Bradford, the band New Model Army, and much, much more. Since I speak German I might get around to updating both the German and the English language versions to improve both. rquinn 21:17, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
I've removed some vandalism by Crestville referring to Frank Stott and Brendan Lalor (I'm sure it's funny to the vandal), but 212.111.154.251 also changed the ethnic minority population percentage from 19% to 36%. I have no idea if this is correct or not, but this is the only contribution made by this IP and they don't cite sources. Anyone know the correct stat? (I did a quick search but nothing came up that I could see). Meesham 15:11, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The National Audit Office is the best place to find this out:
http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/AreaProfileFrames.asp?TID=13&AREA=Bradford&AID=175558
The non-white population is 21.7% Ninebelow 15:34, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Railways
I find it quite incredible that such an important place on the Metro (West Yorkshire) scheme of things has nothing whatsoever on its article about transport: there is precious little about its Geography anyway! And as for History .... Its links with Leeds and much else in West Yorkshire deserves better than this!!!! Peter Shearan 18:48, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- It does now. I added a transport section in Nov 2005. ColinFine 14:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Good work, much improved. Don't stop there ;-) MGSpiller 21:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Alsop Image
The image of the proposed Alsop regeneration plan has been deleted. A notice has been on the talk page of the uploader since Feb & there has been no response so it could well have been copyrighted. Has anyone taken a picture of the model themselves which they would be prepared to upload?MGSpiller 00:32, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] medway minutes
The reference is supposed to help explain why this article, while about the urban area of Bradford, which most people would expect to be the city, is not in fact a city at all while the City of Bradford article about the metropolitan/municiple district is the article about the entity with city status. I've lived here 80% of my life & until I spent half an hour following links round 'pedia I didn't understand that point.MGSpiller 01:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Things to Consider
(I've moved this section to the end, as Talk pages are usually newest last.)
I believe that Bradford college seems to be associated with Leeds Uni now and not Bradford Uni. The college seem to be going through a re-branding exercise.
- You're half right: it's Leeds Met (not Leeds Uni), according to their web page. I'll correct it. ColinFine 23:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Also, regarding the canal / beck, I've heard that there are plans to re-open this (again) as part of the face-lift / redevelopment projects that are going on in the city centre.
- This is mentioned at Bradford Canal, but not on the main Bradford page. I'll add something.ColinFine 23:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I read somewhere that Bradford wasn't formed in the way that most cities are. e.g they tend to grow from the middle outwards. Instead, the city centre was formed because of the growth and merging of (I think three) other areas. I don't know the terminology for a city formed this way, but there is one. Very loose on facts, sorry, but if you're dedicated to writing about Bradford I think these points could be included.
- I don't think so: the centre formed around the church (now the cathedral) and spread. It did later swallow several separate townships (Bowling, Great and Little Horton etc) but I don't think that's unusual. Please provide a reference. ColinFine 23:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Twin Towns
The French and German articles on Bradford helpfully list the twin towns - but the lists don't agree. --Alan 19:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- According to http://www.communigate.co.uk/brad/btta/, which says it is the website of the Bradford Twin Towns Association, "In 1970, when the Mayor of Roubaix initiated contact between Roubaix (France) and Verviers (Belgium) with Bradford to be followed in 1971 by Monchengladbach (Germany). Skopje (Macedonia) is a more distant but none-the-less important fourth Twin Town.
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/content/image_galleries/alt_art_gallery.shtml says (below a photo of the "Hammstrasse" street sign in Bradford) "Hamm in Germany is Bradford's twin town...But that's not all. We've spotted some strange new 'kids' on the Bradford block. The work of artist Otmar Alt, they too are from Hamm. Take a look!". It is one of a number of sites which claim this. But another article on the same site says "A very popular artist in Germany, Otmar Alt now lives in Shipley's twin town, Hamm, situated in the North Rhine-Westphalia region of Germany.", which I think is correct.
- At http://www.bradford.gov.uk/life_in_the_community/twin_towns_and_villages/, which I guess should be authoratitive, It lists "
- Galway, Ireland - twinned 1987
- Mirpur District Council, Azad Kashmir, Pakistan – friendship agreement 1998
- Mönchengladbach, Germany – twinned 1971
- Roubaix, France – twinned 1969
- Skopje, Republic of Macedonia – twinned 1963
- Verviers, Belgium – twinned 1970".
- I have updated the main article accordingly. I have added a note about Hamm, as it is so often claimed wrongly to be the twin. I have maintained an entry on Timsa, because I have found a couple of newspaper articles referring to it, but I have removed the material about the Sandanistas, as unverifiable: if anybody has references for that, feel free to put it back.
- I have removed Varna as I can find no evidence whatever of this link. ColinFine 23:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've also updated the relevant section in the German Wikipedia ColinFine 23:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- I have also removed Bradford from the twin towns in the Varna article. ColinFine 08:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unitary authority?
The metropolitan boroughs are still districts of the metropitan counties. The Local Government Act 1985 only removed the county councils, it did not change any administrative divisions. The 1990s UK local government reform did however change the administrative divisions and created unitary authorities. The UA infobox should only be used for the latter. Mrsteviec 10:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
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- The UA infobox correctly identifies West Yorkshire as the ceremonial county, police area, etc, alongside Yorkshire as the historic county. Giving "West Yorkshire" precedence as a "county" without any kind of qualification is misleading, to say the least.
[edit] Cosmopolitan, Nightlife
I've removed the following from the introductory section of the article: "Bradford is a very cosmopolitan city with inhabitants of all nationalities and religions. It also owns a very acitve nightlife, with pounding, pounding techno music."
I'm sure that there should be something about Bradford's cosmopolitan nature, and probably also about its nightlife. But I'm also sure that this is not it! ColinFine 21:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- We got our first Starbucks this year. True.--Crestville 22:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Bradford Sweet Poisoning of 1858
Can anyone help me? I don't know what to so with this. I want to write about the famous incident in 1858 in which seventeen people died and 200 or so others were taken ill after eating peppermint lozanges accidently adulterated with arsnic. At the time it was commonplace for food to be adulterated (for example chalk would be mixed with flour, etc) and sugar was often mixed with "daft" (plaster of paris) to make the sweets heavier. The sweets were sold in Bradford market, having been purchased from a sweetshop in the town. The sweetshop owner obtained the plaster of paris from a druggist (Mr Hodgson - a possible relation of mine) from Shipley, who was ill that day. He sent a young employee to get the plaster of paris but he accidently used arsenic. Each lozange contained enough arsnic to kill two people.
I think this is a facinating peice of our history and led to legislation banning the adulteration of goods. however, I'm not sure if it warrents its own article of where I could fit it into this one. Until that point, here are two accounts for anyone interested. [1] [2]--Crestville 20:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- Sounds to me as if it merits an article of its own. Be bold! Write it - if somebody doesn't agree, they can always fold it into the main article. ColinFine 08:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
What should I call it?
What about The Bradford Sweet Poisoning- Chris Q 13:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Isn't that a bit on the nose?--Crestville 15:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cathedral and churches
I am sure that the lengthy section on the history of Bradford Cathedral should be moved to that article. Would the writer of the section like to do that?
I am doubtful whether the long list of churches belongs in an encyclopaedia, but if it does, it should not be in the Bradford article. I suggest that if it's worth keeping, the various churches should be discussed in the articles for the various localities (Allerton, Baildon etc) with perhaps a 'List of Churches in Bradford' article. ColinFine 19:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Seconded, the section on Bradford Cathedral is longer than the cathedral article itself. There should be a summary here & the detail there. I would kind of prefer the list of churches to be a category and there to be pages about churches or groups of churches but that would be a lot of work & I'm not volunteering to do it so Colin's suggestion of putting the discussion in the various local pages is more practical. MGSpiller 00:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, a lot of the material on the cathedral needs to go to the article on the cathedral. I think some of the churches in Bradford are noteworthy, but I don't think the complete list is all that helpful. --194.217.194.139 18:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the list of churches, together with the intended headings (they weren't syntactically headings) for other places of worship. I think a section discussing places of worship would be worthwhile, but this list is simply not appropriate for an encyclopaedia. ColinFine 18:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I was going to move most of the material on the cathedral to Bradford Cathedral, but when I'd finished merging the text and was about to save it I followed the external link and found that all the text I've cut from Bradford was a copyvio anyway, so I've discarded it. I've made a stab at rewriting the Religion section here. ColinFine 19:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dubious Bradfordians
I have just removed the following lines from the 'Notable Bradfordians' section
- Manjit Hayre*— Artist and bon viver
- Simon 'Nogsy' Nolan musician & rabble rouser
- Faith Nelson — Model
I can't find any evidence for any of these people's notability ('Manjit Hayre' and 'Faith Nelson' both give several hits on Google, but none of them seem to match).
The wording suggests very strongly to me that the first two have been inserted as a joke. I'm prepared to believe the last might be real, but in the absence of any references, I do not know why she should be notable. ColinFine 22:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Question.
Wasnt there a prophet/seer that said Bradford was the site of the Garden of Eden. For the life of me I've been trying to remember her name. Any one know what it was. Thanks. SimonD 08:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Can't help you, I'm afraid. ColinFine 18:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe it was "Mother Shipden [Shibden?]"
- There's no reference to it in Mother Shipton, and anyway she was from Knaresborough (if she existed) which is not that close to Bradford. ColinFine 18:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Geography project
Many of the points in the UKgeo box are valid, and I will address some of them. But while it may be true that for "Most UK settlements [twin towns i]]s a top-level section", it isn't for the two settlements currently listed as featured articles on the project page: Sheffield has it under Government and Politics, while Bath puts it under tourism!
I do prefer transport organised by mode. I see the point about the canal, but other parts of the transport section include historical information, so I'd rather not split it on the accident of whether a mode of transport happens to exist today or not.
I'm not convinced that 'prose is better than lists', either. ColinFine 18:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
