Talk:Bourré

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[edit] Verifiability of No-Lo

The No-Lo version looks interesting. How can it be verified? RPellessier | Talk 05:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Discussion

Nice job on the merge. I give it my full approval. I won't have time to add any edits until life slows down a bit, but here are a couple of points to consider:

1.) Use the Bourré spelling as the title, since we have that Bourré book, and the "National Cajun Bourré Association" whoever they are, as the primary reference. They will presumably or have already come up with a set of standardized rules for Standard Tournament Bourré. Eliminate the "boo-ray" nickname for our own profit, if some folks can't pronounce it, you'll know who to invite over to play! (I guy I know swears this happened to him: he stumbled across a game of boo-rah in Idaho, had the friendly Idahoanese teach him the game, and he went home with all of their money! He LOVES Boo-rah!)

I'd /love/ to eliminate that spelling, actually, but I cannot, alas. I've seen it on posters--yea, an actual poster, this one from Budweiser, a spoof on Dogs Playing Poker with them playing "Boo-Ray." I loathe it, but it is used. As for 'Bouré' vs. 'Bourré,' I much prefer the former, but I guess if some random jack^H^H^H^Hpeople published a book with that name it's about as close as we're gonna get to corroboration (see below), so I'll move this page there.

2.) Continue the description of the various alternate rules, such as pot-limit, etc. I'd bet that if we looked up card games in an 1870's encyclopedia or copy of Hoyles, we'd find that many games have evolved. So we should continue to describe these variations, so that they aren't lost, then we can describe Tournament Bourré as one variation of the many.

Agreed. The only problem with this is corroboration. No one's whacked our fingers with a ruler yet, but I suspect it's because A) they haven't cared to find the pages or B) we're Members in Good Standing enough to get into trouble. That said, I'd love to come across a secret-until-now published history of the damn game!

3.) I don't like the following phrase associated with 'nice play', " Even this is unclear however, as Bouré is a game with imperfect information." Your statement is true, but my objection is that in any game, this argument occurs only once, and never among familiar players in a standing game. The paragraph correctly describes the variation, but the final sentence implies that people might not know the rules they are playing by. I might rewrite this sentence first.

I'll ponder this. I see what you mean, but it's something that's important--it's impossible to really know how to screw the other players maximally, and my grandmother (dear old lady that she is) will call renege on some of the craziest damn hands. I had to play the Four of Diamonds? Surely ye jest, madame! But we let her roll with it, cos she's an old lady who's been playing Bouré since before my parents were out of nappies.

I have no objection to this merge, so you can make it official. RPellessier | Talk 03:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Will do. Phil Bordelon 03:55, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grandma's Bourré game

Your Grandma's Bourré game clarifies something, many games have an informal referee, such as the owner of the house where the game is played, or in the case of your Grandma, the oldest, most expert player. That person's vote somehow seems to count a little bit more than anyone else's vote in a dispute, as it should.

On page 102 of his book, "Les Cadiens d'Asteur, Philip Gould (photographer) has a photo of the "Boorray Rules" sign in the Scott Bar. From the photo, the rules in that bar are:

BOORAY.RULES.

1.YOU.ARE.FORCED

UP.TO.THE.JACK.

2.NO.TALKING.IN-

PEOPLES.HAND.

3.HEAD.UP.SAVI-

NGS.ONLY.

4.CARD.HAS.TO-

BE.COVERED.TO-

BE.BOORAYED.

5.IF.YOU.RENICK-

YOU.ARE.BOORAY.

6.IF.HEAD.UP.WIT-

H.ONE.TRICK.MA-

DE.TRUMP.YOUR-

ACE.THEN.LEAD-

OFF.CARD.

7.ONE.TRICK.WITH-

ACE.QUEEN.JACK-

TRUMP.ACE.JACK.

8.IF.YOU.ARE.LAS-

T.PLAYER.AND.PL-

AY.WRONG.PICK.UP-

AND.REPLAY.

RPellessier | Talk 00:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Um. Wow. Those are some interesting ways to describe house rules. Were they having trouble with people dipping into in-bar loans or something? I like the safety to cover reneges if you're the last player for the trick. Which makes sense--you're not screwing up anyone but yourself. Phil Bordelon 00:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it just minimizes bad feelings to have a written copy of the rules. Can you interpret and rewrite these in longhand? Maybe ask your grandmother! I interpret rule 7 as, "If you have one trick and hold the Ace, Queen, and Jack of Trumps, you must play the Ace and Jack next or (we haven't mentioned this yet) simultaneously. If this interpretation is correct, why would they bother writing this rule? Does this rule clarify that an off-card lead would be too nice?RPellessier | Talk 23:32, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that it's because it's even more "bastardic," by giving people the hope that the Queen may be alive somewhere as opposed to in the player's hands. 130.39.198.180 21:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)