User talk:BooyakaDell

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Contents 1 H8 Club 2 Prod 3 John Cena 4 Adoption 5 Nominating deletions in bad faith 6 WP:PROD 7 Response 8 OVW Female Talent 9 Pete Wilson (wrestler) 10 PRODs and AFD - advice 11 Curse of Fenric 12 Last chance 13 Revert warring on a user talk page 14 Mediation Cabal 15 Stuff 16 In response to your Questions on my talk page 17 Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can 18 Cleanup your contribution

[edit] H8 Club

I don't understand your edits to Justice Pain and H8 Club. Can you explain them to me? Jonathan Burgess 20:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah okay. The one thing I don't agree with though is the removal from the Justice Pain page which explained why he doesn't do deathmatches anymore. Jonathan Burgess 23:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I see what you mean. At Cage of Death 7 when Zandig was making matches for the next show, he said that Justice Pain wanted to wrestle now and he would wrestle Joker. Then on the Afternoon of Main Events DVD, they showed a Justice Pain promo where he talked about not wanting to do deathmatches, then he took of his shirt to show how he was back in shape. Kingston and Garguilo talked about how he looked better than ever. As far as the match, they used chairs and a table, but that doesn't make it a deathmatch. But the part that says "in a wrestling match" can just be taken out then. Jonathan Burgess 23:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prod

Hi. When nominating an article for deletion via WP:PROD, add this to the top of the article: {{subst:prod|reason}}, with "reason" replaced by your reason for deletion. This is the simpler than copy&paste, and is also better for a technical reason that is perhaps too boring to explain. Tizio 19:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Cena

Your edit was not fully cited. For it to be so, you need to at least state the date of the airing and the context in which he said it. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 00:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

Hi there BooyakaDell,

Saw that you are looking to be adopted - which I would happily do - but I wanted to ask about the charge of being a Sockpuppet against you firset. You should also respond in the evidence page - see above in sockpuppet template. Cheers Lethaniol 11:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hiya! You know about as much as I do about the sockpuppet template. I gather that a lot of people argue over Death Valley Driver Video Review and I made an edit to that page and next thing I know there was this thing on my page. Being a new Wikipedia member Iknow I'm supposed to be bold with edits but I'm not the type to remove a template unless I know I'm supposed to so I've left it up. I don't think anyone really buys it considering nobody's responded to it in weeks but eh, thats the gist from my perspective. Thanks for coming over to my page. So how does this work??BooyakaDell 16:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have sorted the adoption, changed the template on your userpage, so you are now officially adopted - congrats. There are no real rules with adoption - is basically up to you to ask any questions you may have (whether technical, procedural or even comical), me to answer them, and for me to watch out for you in general. Hence why I was asking about the sockpuppet template - it is good to know what you are about beforehand. With respect to that - if nobody does anything about it soon - I'll remove the template citing lack of evidence/interest.

Anyway look forward to hearing from you - use User talk:Lethaniol, tend be on most days and some evening (live in UK so thats GMT). Cheers Lethaniol 17:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nominating deletions in bad faith

I have removed a number of your nominations for deletion within the realm of professional wrestling. Each fed that I have reverted is notable and there is no reason for the article to be deleted. I fail to understand your thinking with some of these nominations, when it's notability has been made perfectly clear. Particularly in the case of PCW in Australia, IPW in New Zealand and the AWF in the US. The Japanese nomination (Global) is patently frivilous given the feds that are part of the Alliance. Only a few nominations were correct, because the pages were basically empty anyway and not because they were non notable organisations. Curse of Fenric 09:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Note - re Australia'a PCW. Read the section about "Carnage Controversy". It is a notable event that makes PCW notable as a promotion. Please do not nominate it for deletion again. I respectfully query your wrestling knowledge. Local notability must be respected - and this also applies to the two New Zealand feds. Curse of Fenric 11:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the PCW renomination, I didn't realize I had nominated it already. I am OK with that staying but the other four promotions have not garnered mainstream publicity and are therefore - among other reasons - not notable.BooyakaDell 12:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

As I said, local notability must be respected. Do not replace the tags on the New Zealand feds - they are breakaways from IPW and are therefore part of that history and notable. Curse of Fenric 19:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:PROD

Hi BooyakaDell - sorry I was away from the internet for the weekend. Glad to see that the PRODs worked on the articles. Basically I think the process is that once the five days have gone past (and the PROD has not been contested), the article will be flagged up - and when an Admin gets time they will come and delete it. Of course they have lots of other things to do, and so it may take a while to get round to doing this. Lethaniol 15:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

On a more personal note, I thought I would just ask a little about yourself - where your from, what you are upto, what your interests are (obviously wrestling is one of them), if you like.

Also it looks like you are keen to cleanup/sort out the wrestling articles. Two points of advice - always put something in the Edit summary so people known what you have done, especially if you recommending it for deletion. I won't pretend to know what is the standard of notability for wrestling but I suggest you have arguments to back you up as nominate plenty of articles PROD.

Lastly I am always here for help if needed. You may find that if PROD fails that you want to go to WP:AFD - in fact it may be an option to go there as this can be used as a forum for deleting many related articles at the same time. Anyway look forward to hearing from you. Lethaniol 16:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response

You said, You REALLY need to chill out and take a deep breath on these Pro Wrestling in Australia articles. Just because they had AJ Styles vs. James Gibson or because they used the Taboo Tuesday concept does not make them notable enough to have a Wikipedia article.

Yes it does because they were the FIRST independent fed to do this. You are wrecking these articles with your false claims of lack of notability, and this is bordering on vandalism. Curse of Fenric 01:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning.
The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

I have not "vandalized" Wikipedia, this warning is invalid.BooyakaDell 02:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes you have by persistently using tags that are not neccessary and have been told so. I am referring this to the appropriate dispute resolution. Do not edit any further until this issue is resolved. Curse of Fenric 02:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Take a step back and realize, what I did with those articles is not vandalism.BooyakaDell 02:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

You used the tags in bad faith and without understanding the notability of the feds and their activities. And by ignoring my notes you became a vandal. The issue has now been reported. Curse of Fenric 02:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your right, I did ignore your notes, and I will continue to ignore your notes whenever they directly violate official Wikipedia policy.BooyakaDell 21:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OVW Female Talent

I removed the tags for deletion posted to Katie Lea and Roni Jonah. Both are noteworthy in that they are under developmental deals with WWE and wrestle in OVW, one of the most notable independent federations in the U.S. Lea is the current Women's Champion of OVW. OPMaster 02:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, that is fine, thanks for letting me know.BooyakaDell 02:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pete Wilson (wrestler)

Could you please revisit the AFD for this article and expand on your belief he is non-notable? - Mgm|^(talk) 11:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PRODs and AFD - advice

Hi BooyakaDell,

Had a quick look at Kiwi Pro Wrestling and Action Zone Wrestling. In my humble opinion (IMHO) these articles seem okay. They might not be the most notable organisations in the world but they are also not totally obscure (both are easily found in top 10 when googled). It is difficult for me to tell if these are adverts/spam, it is not obvious but the articles look to be of decent quality and have not just been ripped off some website.

Some advice:

1. Be careful of Point of View (POV) pushing, this is where in heated discussions people try to push their personal point of view. This can lead to big arguments and even people getting blocked. You need to take extra care because of the Sockpuppet suggestion see Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/JB196 for User:Curse of Fenric comments.
2. If it is obviously controversial, or you know that one person will be upset, when you nominate an article for deletion (via Prod), I suggest using WP:AFD instead - where discussions by a number of users can take place. This forum will also give you an idea on what standard the articles should meet with respect to Notability and Advertisement - you should then bear this strongly in mind with any further PROD or AFD. I see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pete Wilson (wrestler) is not going well - I suggest you make a strong case for why the article is non-notable and another case why you are not a sockpuppet.
3. Make up with User:Curse of Fenric - get into discussion about what is and is not notable - try not to argue, be less forceful. With respect to these articles - you did put Kiwi Pro Wrestling up for PROD so, yes he is right. Have not checked others - but it does not matter, try to work at improving your relationship, not worry about part issues. I suppose what I am saying is - you will not be able to win this argument by logic alone - you two (and any others) will need to come to consensus.
4. Finally if this gets all too hot, and you are spending loads of your time putting up for PROD/AFD and nothing comes of it, and you getting frustrated with arguing with people - forget it. Concentrate on something else for while - in or out of wikipedia (e.g. you have being some useful copy editing of current wrestling articles). At the end of the day if a few articles survive that are non-notable or adverts it does not matter as long as they are not wrong or offensive.

I am sorry BooyakaDell I have no definite answers for you. It is up to you. Leave a message on my talk page about what you think. Cheers Lethaniol 13:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Curse of Fenric

Hi BooyakaDell,

As I am slowly getting brought into this discussion, I will reply to all the points on my homepage. It would help if you could leave any comments for me on my talk page, and maybe most of the comments for Curse of Fenric as well. I have asked the same of the Curse of Fenric. Of course only do this if you are happy for me to help mediate. Cheers Lethaniol 16:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I try in these discussions to remain impartial, and if neglected make sure your side of the story is put across. To come out all guns blazing for you would be seen as biased and probably not help you much. I will try my best - hope you understand - Cheers Lethaniol 17:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last chance

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Chuck E. Chaos, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Carlo Cannon, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Action Zone Wrestling, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.

You are not the owner of the rules of notability policy, and you are not the notability police. I declare you to be - in my opinion - a vandal. This is your absolute last warning. Curse of Fenric 22:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

http://www.xpwretrospective.com 66.11.54.71 23:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted that by my experience, it has become apparent that Curse of Fenric is not concerned with abiding by Wikipedia policy and therefore these "warnings" are nothing more than troll spam.BooyakaDell 23:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert warring on a user talk page

Please note that a user is perfectly entitled to remove warning messages from their talk page - although it is looked badly upon. However, in this particular case (involving User:81.155.178.248) the edits in question do not appear to be vandalism and appear to be 'good faith' edits. Also note that revert warring is against WP:3RR and could get you blocked. Finally, you may wish to look at our dispute resolution procedures in order to deal with this issue. Thanks, Localzuk^(talk) 00:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation Cabal

The situation is close to out of control - I have requested help from the Mediation Cabal before people start getting blocked. See Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-11 BooyakaDell Lethaniol 00:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I have done this not to get you into any trouble but to try and get things sorted. Although the title has your name in it - it will be about the whole issue of notability in wrestling - not just your editing. Lethaniol 01:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I should have put Wrestling or added Curse, but I put your name down as it is about complaints about you putting the notability tag on articles and them be reverted by a number of different editors. This process is not disciplinary it is what it says on the tin - Mediation. Lethaniol 01:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC) Also as you have an Admin Request for Investigation going on under your name - it helps link everything up. Lethaniol 01:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi BooyakaDell. As you can see people are starting to comment on the Mediation Cabal - if may be a while before a mediator comes along and helps out though. What I strongly suggest is that you stop putting notability tags, PRODs or AFDs on any Wrestling articles until discussion is complete. Wikipedia is not going to fall apart or be ridiculed if these articles stay for a while longer. On the Mediation Cabal page you could come out and say that you are stopping these tags/delete requests for x amount of time and that you want to sort out the notability issues. Then by everyone being constructive on what's notable and what's not we might be able to get somewhere. If not, and I am sorry to say this, you will likely be blocked/banned like JB196. The reason I make the above suggestions is that is the most likely way to get people's respect back - as well as showing people the positive editing that I have seen you do. Cheers Lethaniol 15:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi BooyakaDell thanks for your response on the Cabal page - good faith on all sides may yet sort out these issues. One suggestion for the Cabal - put in the links to the AFD pages which you mentioned so others can easily find them. Cheers Lethaniol 17:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah but you still have a little to learn about wikimarkup - see this is better Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-11 BooyakaDell Lethaniol 17:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stuff

Hi BooyakaDell,

I know you are trying - but please try more to be civil. The comments to Norm by Curse were likely out of frustration - and through the power of Wikipedia you get to read them. See this more as him releasing steam elsewhere, and trying less to argue with you.

Thanks for coming up with compromise to not start an AfD for two weeks. I would like to suggest that you stop reverting people that removed your Notability tags - it will just get you into edit warring and put you in bad light. At the end of the day the articles will still be there - so put your efforts into other things until we get the notability issues sorted - then you can target articles that do not meet them. Lethaniol 00:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Am off to bed now - so we wish you goodnight.....

[edit] In response to your Questions on my talk page

I recommend not issuesing any PRODs or AfDs until this current dispute and/or the current AfDs are resolved. Hopefully this will lead to some idea/consensus on what is notable or not. This is a recommendation only and not enforced, but I strongly suggest you follow it until the issues are resolved.

If you do put a PROD on a page and someone removes it - it would be very bad form and uncivil to put it back. I think you have done this before. In terms of notability tags, of less importance than PRODs, but still I think you should not get into edit wars over whether they are there or not. The general approach would be each time you add a comment in the talk as to why, and if the tag is removed you should discuss the situation on the talk page with the user concerned. Obviously this is beyond this now - and as said best if you left these alone until some sort of notability guidelines are agreed.

I hope this makes sense. Cheers Lethaniol 13:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can

[edit] Cleanup your contribution

Just a friendly suggestion - to make it easier to read your comments please format your points at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/BooyakaDell. Cheers Lethaniol 16:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Good morning there Lethaniol! Thanks for the tip. I will do my best.BooyakaDell 16:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

As you can see from the RfC - I have balanced things out a bit, so more of the story is shown. If you have your own evidence on other people's behaviour then I suggest you put it up yourself, though only pick good quality evidence - Quality not Quantity. And remember only comment in the response area or talk page. Cheers Lethaniol 17:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)