Talk:Boi (gender)
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[edit] Category problem
I reverted the change (the removal of the LGBT category) made by Bearcat, because bois are almost always lesbians/dykes/queers. If anyone has a compelling reason to remove an article about lesbian/bi/trans people from the LGBT category, could you please explain? - solvent 18:51, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- The idea behind that is that the "Transgender people and behavior" is a sub-category of "LGBT", and articles shouldn't be in both a sub-cat and a category above that. Whether that always makes sense is another question, but some people are very ardent about "correcting" those "errors" in categorisation. It is not meant as removing people from any group, although occasionally, it sure feels that way ... -- AlexR 19:57, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- OK, I can see the reason in this, but not all bois ID as trans. I'm a boi, and I don't; that's why I thought to add the LGBT category to the page in the first place. Do you think the article should stay in the transgender people and behavior cat, because it is about trans behavior, if not always trans people; or should it be added to the larger LGBT category because that accounts for both dyke bois and trans bois? I know you've done a lot more work on the trans/queer articles on Wikipedia than I have, so your decision would probably be better informed than mine. - solvent 23:46, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for the compliment, but I have to admitt that I am not familiar enough with "boi" culture to give a definite statement. My knowledge on trans-matters that come from the lesbian culture is usually 2nd-hand, and if it hasn't reached Germany, often somewhat sketchy. (Which does make it a very good thing that you came here and can put in your knowledge! Seems finally some transguys (in the widest possible sense) turn up. Good thing, too, because I started to feel a bit lonely ;-)
- Anyway, I am one of those people who are not too happy with all too enthusiasticly sticking to the categorisation rules - and this being a prime example why. While technically "boi" is a transgender behaviour, one can be certain that you are not the only one who doesn't consider the label adequate. Hence sticking in another, equally adequate cat into the article seems perfectly appropriate to me.
- Now, question is, is "LGBT", which is a very wide cat, the best one for this? If you think it is, just put in a HTML comment into the article, right above the cats, explaining shortly why. As far as I can see, the editing of these cats is all done manually, hence editors would see that. (Such a comment is done like this: <!-- comment --> .) However, maybe it would be best to create a new category, one that deals with transgender - or maybe better "gender-bending" or similar - behaviour among primary LGB identified people, or lesbian or female-bodied people. Something like "Gender-bending in the lesbian community"; can't think of a really good title at the moment. That would avoid the question of one cat being a sub-cat of another; although it probably still would need a comment, so that the "Transgender" cat wouldn't be removed with the argument that the new cat is a sub-cat of this one. What do you think? -- AlexR 09:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- OK, I can see the reason in this, but not all bois ID as trans. I'm a boi, and I don't; that's why I thought to add the LGBT category to the page in the first place. Do you think the article should stay in the transgender people and behavior cat, because it is about trans behavior, if not always trans people; or should it be added to the larger LGBT category because that accounts for both dyke bois and trans bois? I know you've done a lot more work on the trans/queer articles on Wikipedia than I have, so your decision would probably be better informed than mine. - solvent 23:46, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
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Can anyone provide a source for 216.177.2.89's claim that boi was created to parallel grrl? I can find nothing on it. Also, I have reverted some of the edits that (s)he made, because many transbois ID as TG rather than as TS. solvent 22:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
AWWWWWWWWWWWWW NOOOO FUCKIN SICK FAGGETS WHY FUCK A GUY THAT LOOKS LIKE A CHICK, WHEN THERES *REAL* FUCKING WOMEN OUT THERE??!?!?! EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW FUCKIN MAKING ME THROW UP A$WETJF:KAJWETG:SEJKG
[edit] Boyish/effeminate/young
Don't agree with previous claim that "boyish" contradicts "somewhat effeminate." Compromising with "young-appearing." Also added "and in reality relatively young" because I think a "young-looking 65" would not fit the common usage.
- 65.96.178.162 16:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
- Ah yes, that makes sense, thanks for clarifying - I was thinking "boy" as in gender, rather than as in age. Mdwh 17:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bisexual and/or submissive males?
I've certainly heard the term "boi" used for bisexual boys also - in general, a feminine boy independent of sexuality (although it's probably true that it tends to almost always refer to bi or gay boys). I've also heard it used in the BDSM community to refer to submissive boys (again, usually implying femininity) as well as butch girls. Mdwh 02:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Punk/Goth subculture
It most definitely is used in Goth (and sometimes Punk) subculture to refer to a young man not afraid to experiment with traditionally "feminine" things such as eyeliner, frills, etc. and as a protest against gender roles. Please don't remove my edits--google goth boi and it brings up hundreds of thousands of hits. It *does* exist in Goth. Snowgrouse 16:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
