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[edit] Syrians and Lebanese should be included

as having a high percentage of blondes in the middle east. I think it occurs there more so than in iran.

some images of syrians.

http://www.babelmed.net/immagini/lib_syria.jpg

http://www.christianpost.com/upload_static/intl/intl_185_0.jpg

It looks dyed in the first of those. The second looks more plausible, but a single picture alone isn't enough information. Angr 10:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Since that wasn't enough here are some more images for you :

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1191/syrianscryingoverasadec6.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8049/syriansingolanrk9.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7512/syrianschoolkidsib7.jpg

(the boy in the back and the one at the front are blonde)

http://wedadf.jeeran.com/files/Picture%20035.jpg

Some from lebanon

http://images.google.com.au/images?q=tbn:g9uHAhNb4TD1sM:http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/lebanon-pro-02.jpg


Is that enough pictures for you?

Besides half my famliy are blondes and we are syrians.

It isn't a matter of enough pictures. Wikipedia is not the place for original research. If you can find published statistics on the numbers of natural blonds in Syria and Lebanon, feel free to add the information. But just providing links to various photos isn't enough to build a contribution to the article on. Angr 08:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

There are blond people in every culture in the world, I thought the article makes that clear. -- Stbalbach 15:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Where was the research and sources when it came to pakistan and iran? There wasn't any, and yet they where mentioned on wikipedia. Where can one find statistics on the percentage of blondes, please show me YOUR statistics. What i tell you is what i can see from my day to day life, you haven't offered anything different to that in any of your assertions.

If there are no sources for the information about Pakistan and Iran, then that should be removed too. Angr 09:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Where is the evidence when, the tribes mentioned in pakistan and the areas of iran do indeed have a high percentage of blondes, look up the origins of the word aryan, if you would just do a little more research perhaps you would know.

some more evidence for you : search blonde/blond in these websites. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=23836 http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009306.php

and if you feel so strongly about it, perhaps you should go to these places and vindicate your ideas.

All I feel strongly about is the Wikipedia policy of verifiability. The pages you have given so far are not reliable sources regarding the prevalence of blond hair in Syria and Lebanon. The word Aryan has nothing to do with anything, except that the Nazis commandeered it and pretended it referred to people who look Nordic--and the Nazis certainly wouldn't have considered Syrian and Lebanese Arabs to be Aryan, no matter how blond and blue-eyed they might be. The etymology of "Aryan" is unclear but almost certainly doesn't have anything to do with hair color. Angr 10:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

actually aryan was a tribe in india. the nazi's took it and did what they would with it, but that wasn't my point.

anyhow. More website for you from people who have actually been to syria.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/miscalculating_syria/

http://weecheng.com/mideast/syria/syria3.htm

http://www.bigrob66.info/blog/archives/2005_05.html

http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/300/370/371/acs/web-gar-damascus.html

"For instance a Syrian from Aleppo is mainly blonde with blue eyes " http://www.waleg.com/archives/000860.html


Here's a good one for you from a travel guid called pilot guides, talking about the middle east.

"The colouring of the people ranges from extremely light, even blond haired/blue eyed in Lebanon and Syria, to very dark skinned with black hair"

http://www.pilotguides.com/destination_guide/middle_east_and_north_africa/syria_jordan_and_lebanon/background.php


Heres an anthropology website that talks about it http://www.snpa.nordish.net/chapter-XII18.htm

Please sign your posts. Instructions are at the top of this page. It's very difficult to read who is talking when you don't sign. Thank you. -- Stbalbach 15:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

In Israel there seem to be quite a few blondes. They went there, because they have a small percentage of Jewish blood, or even not that. Could it be, that some of these (mainly) Northern-Europides went from there to neighbour-countries?

Could it perhaps also be, that they relatibely recently got there flying directly from N-Europe, as evolution has made man able to by now? VKing 03:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

As a History major who specialized in the migration of peoples during the Roman Empire until after the Viking Age, I would be more than happy to assist in adding to the atricle to explain why blonde genes are found outside Scandinavia in such high concentrations. Maybe this would help to settle some users down on why the Syrians and Lebanese with blonde and fair features are in fact descendants of Germanic tribes and the Vikings and that these features are not predominantly 'natural' to those areas. Rapunzel In Van 09:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are the levels of pheomelanin really higher?

Is it certain that all blonds have higher levels of phoemelanin than eumelanin? on this site[1] they say "Plain blonde hair is predominantly eumelanin while richer honey blonde hair has relatively more of the yellow red pheomelanin present" 218.166.74.1 11:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

According to that site in principle all kinds of blond have more pheomelanin, but only in case of colourfull blond (goldblond and orangeblond) this kind oif pigment is not coverted into eumelanin by the gene MC1R. VKing 00:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Add references in popular media section?

I think such a section should be added.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.81.84.207 (talk • contribs) .

I hope your joking. -- Stbalbach 13:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origins

Funny theory there, the one of Canadian anthropologist Peter Frost, but it doesn't say how it comes, that there are also lightblond men?! (Influence of temperate climate, perhaps?)VKing 01:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Mothers pass blond genes to male children. If society suddenly started sexually selecting for women with big noses, we would eventually see more male and female children with big noses. -- Stbalbach 15:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Mothers pass blond genes to male children.
But when all men are darkhaired, the lighter blond women become, the more men's dark is dominating as usual, so that new men will keep being born darkhaired, no? VKing 06:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Who said all men are dark haired? It's not like blondness is a female trait, or that blond men don't procreate with other blond women. -- Stbalbach 15:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Who said? Well the theory, this is all about, tries to declare, how blond hair could have been developed genetically some tenthousand years ago. This includes the preposition, that before, all people were not blond and so darkhaired. (This theory in it's turn is trying to support a Japanese research, that resulted in the rather unlikely conclusion, that blond hair probably didn't occur more than some tenthousand years ago). VKing 01:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Sounds like confusion over how evolution works, it doesn't happen in just one generation. -- Stbalbach 05:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Besides it would be no use, as probably all women wanted to become blond. It's not very likely, that nature would cooperate in such a nonsensical operation. VKing 03:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

The word "blond" also might be derived from the French "blanc", which means "white" and sounds about the same.VKing 02:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

According to OED the origin is "uncertain". Used in English in the 15th C as "blounde". Goes on to say:
reintroduced from mod.Fr. in 17th c., and still sometimes treated as French, as to be written without final e when applied to a man, esp. substantively, a blonde; in N. Amer. commonly written blond like the Fr. masculine, but in Britain the form blonde is now preferred in all senses.
--Stbalbach 05:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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