Talk:Blacon
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[edit] Response
Your comments below were noted and the following amendments have replaced what you pointed out as POV:
"Blacon people are commited to building a kind and caring community" has been replaced with the following:
"Blacon people are involved in many local community-led initiatives and projects, such as "Blacon Together", which aims to make Blacon a kind and caring community."
Aiming to make the place a kind and caring community is the raison d'être of the community led and government sponsored http://www.blacon-together.com/.
I have futher included the citation for ""Blacon Together"" good
So I am agreeing with you! This is now, not a point of view, but national government policy on communities Twinney12 20:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Please refererence or contribute to other wiki pages regarding government policies on communities.The Blacon page should be encyclopedic and not an expression of personal opinion, pride or hope for a given location whether or not we as editors agree with them. Editor
[edit] Still POV
"Blacon people are commited to building a kind and caring community" is not NPOV and is not appropriate for a Wikipedia article. It is not enough for you (or even the entire population of Blacon) to think it true; it is still personal opinion. The obvious answer is to find a reliable source, say a local newspaper, in which a well-known personality has been quoted as saying this and use that instead. For the moment I've changed that part of the sentence to avoid stating an opinion as fact; please do not reinsert it in the original form. Sorry, but NPOV is a matter of non-negotiable Wikipedia policy, and it overrides your (or my) opinions, however strong they may be. Loganberry (Talk) 00:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup tag
I added the cleanup tag to this article, because:
- It's not all written from a neutral point of view. For example, Blacon people are commited to building a kind and caring community may or may not be true, but is certainly not neutral. Both are needed for Wikipedia articles; as Jimmy Wales has said, NPOV is non-negotiable and must always be conformed to regardless of individual editors' feelings or beliefs. I removed the intro sentence because it was redundant: all WP articles have to conform to NPOV, so there's no point in saying so explicitly in one article.
- The tone is not always the formal one expected from an encyclopedia article. For example, if you take a 10 or 15 minute walk from any part of the estate, you are again in open countryside is in an inappropriate second-person voice, and It is a Village/Town... a Mini-Town...(?) is unclear; it should be described as whatever its official status is - if any reliable source has described it as a "Mini-Town" then that information can be included as long as it is verifiable.
- The navigational templates at the bottom don't seem to fit here. For example, the "Historic counties of England" template is for articles about such, not for articles about places within them.
- On a slightly different note, please don't anyone incorporate the comments above from the anon editor into the article. Personal opinions, positive or negative, are again a violation of the NPOV policy and as such would be unacceptable. It is not Wikipedia's job to change (or indeed confirm) opinions of a place; it is Wikipedia's job to report the facts.
Hopefully these comments will help editors who have more knowledge of Blacon than I do. Loganberry (Talk) 23:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blacon
I removed a large portion of text from this talk page which appeared to be lifted verbatim from another source. Talk pages are not intended for use as workspace or repositories of information not suitable for main articles. I have other concerns about this article, particularly the inclusion of text in the references section (only actual references should be listed) and some of the external links, e.g. to local schools with no evidence of their notability. It would be great if any interested editors could work together to improve this article, otherwise it may require more attention from neutral parties. Deizio talk 18:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
That's OK, I did not realize the talk page was not to be used in that way - I was going to give a link to the talk page. My interest is to be as helpful as possible to readers of the Blacon site; I may have misunderstood the whole ethos of the Wiki aims. I have only added the links for the schools to offer the reader of the article as much information as possible. I can remove the links, but if I remember, I was told off for not having them there. Shall we just say "Blacon has some schools" then, "and lots of houses, it is rundown, but things are getting better".
