Talk:Bishop (Mormonism)
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[edit] Wards
Were wards first invented at Winter Quarters? If so does the concept of a bishop of a ward pre-date the death of Joseph Smith and the subsequent leadership crisis? Bottom line, is the LDS Church concept of a bishop the same as the other groups that arose at the death of Joseph Smith? Tom - Talk 08:21, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] High Priests and Bishops
The Priesthood article implies that (non-Levite?) Bishops must be High Priests; this article implies this is merely usual. Can anyone clarify? Alai 19:45, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- To expand on my confusion: "serve as the presiding High Priest of the ward". But High Priest is a separate office, and furthermore of the 'other' branch of the priesthood. Or am I confusing the leadership calling and the Melchizedek priesthood office, if those are distinct? Is it usual, or indeed mandatory, to be ordained as high priest before becoming bishop? (Twin track approach, as it were?) Alai 03:16, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- The Priesthood article is correct - non-Levite Bishops must hold the Melchizedek Priesthood and hold the office of High Priest (which they are ordained to before being set-apart as the Bishop if they are not already a High Priest). I will try to think of a better way to word it. This is one of the confusing things about the calling of Bishop because it really is like two roles in the same person - the "presiding officer" of the ward - requiring to be a high priest, and the office in the Aaronic Priesthood (which only a levite or a High Priest can be called to). Correct me if I am wrong here. Trödel|talk 13:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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- Your wording seems fine; perfectly clear now. The Levitical exception makes it seem less odd in historical terms -- I was wondering about that. Alai 15:57, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Changes
I left out of my "overhaul" a sction on Relationships which I envision as explaining the relationship to to stake presidents, EQ presidents, HP group leaders, auxillary presidencies, PEC, etc. Although the EQ Pres and HQ Group Leader are not "called" by the Bishop most Stake Pres honor the recommendations made by the Bishop and the Bishop manages the resources of the EQ Pres and the HP Group Leader in PEC an other council meetings. Etc. Trödel|talk 02:43, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Trödel --- This is beautiful work. An excellent and extremely helpful expansion of the article. (Now all we need is bishops in other Latter Day Saint movement denominations.) --John Hamer 15:01, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Father of the ward
The article says the bishop is often called the "father of the ward" ... As an active Latter-day Saint, I've NEVER heard this before. If others agree, I would suggest dropping this verbage and retaining the following information because it is accurate. Particularly, the change would be "The Bishop is the priesthood leader that is most intimately involved ...." 209.40.69.13 20:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
- I removed this at this suggestion since it is disputed and has no cites; however, in just a few moments on google I found a few:
- with the last two references being talks by the prophet (in 1999 and 2003) in which he refers to the bishop as the father of the ward - so I am going to revert myself. Trödel 22:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
