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Contents 1 Ze generique velcome 2 Infant baptism 3 alternate/alternative 4 Re-creation 5 Wassup 6 AID 7 You helped choose {{subst:IDRIVEtopic article}} as this week's WP:AID winner 8 Template:AcademyAwardBestPicture 9 Re: [sic] 10 AID 11 mad nigger 12 Price of the cigarettes 13 Save the Game! 14 April Fool's Day? 15 Medicine reward 16 Thanks for helping me 17 Please Help 18 GorillazFanAdam block 19 Hey there BigBluefish 20 Prelude in C-sharp minor 21 Please help on William Shakespeare 22 Knights of Cydonia 23 Muse (band) 24 Re: SVG versions. 25 Google Web Accelerator

[edit] Ze generique velcome

Hi Bigbluefish; I see you haven't yet been officially welcomed to Wikipedia, so welcome! Thanks for your contributions to the coolest online encyclopedia I know of =). We're always in need of more people to create new articles and improve the ones we already have, so I hope you stick around. To get started, you might find the Wikipedia tutorial helpful, and you can test stuff for yourself in the sandbox. When you're contributing, you might need to look something up in the manual of style, and you'll also want to remember a few important guidelines. First, write from a neutral point of view, second, be bold in editing pages, and third, use wikiquette. Those are probably the most important ones, and you can take a look at some others at the policies and guidelines page. You might also be interested in how to write a great article and possibly adding some images to your articles.

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Again, welcome! It's great to have you. Happy editing! --Spangineer (háblame) 00:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Infant baptism

Please let us know on the article talk page what exactly you find POV about the article. Thanks...KHM03 10:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry! I probably ought to have done immediately, but it's taking me a while to get through all the information... I'll add something now. --BigBlueFish 10:57, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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> While trying to clean up Paedobaptism which has a rather messy explanation of its derivation, I looked up Paediatrics and > Paedophilia to see their take on the greek stem, and both of them use different Greek words again as the source! I suspect this may > be not only a consistency problem but also accuracy on at least two articles' part. I've been told you're the best person to ask > about these things, so I was wondering if you were able to shed some light on the issue. Cheers --BigBlueFish 09:58, 8 October 2005 > (UTC)

WHO TOLD YOU THAT!? I'll sue the wiki foundation for making such a remark on my part! ;) Cabal! Cabal! It's a conspiracy, i tell you! (I fixed it, and all those words are really the same word, it's just that in Greek nouns have different ending syllables that give the noun it's gender and case (το παιδ-ί, του παιδ-ιού, το παιδ-ί, ώ παιδ-ί!) Project2501a 22:04, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Raul654 recommended you on irc ;) --BigBlueFish 21:50, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

What do pedobaptist denominations do with adults who are born-again Christians? And perhaps more importantly what do they call it if the answer is that they baptise them? Presumably it isn't infant baptism, but is it believer's baptism or is that too exclusive to the anti-pedobaptist stance?

We baptise all ages (both children and adults) in all ways (both sprinkling and dunking). If an adult who has not been baptised before comes to faith and asks for baptism, we will baptise them. We call it "baptism". We don't call it "believer's baptism" for adults because we see all baptism as baptism of believers: part of the point of infant baptism is that the child is already seen as part of God's family until such time as they choose not to be. Does that answer your question? The Wednesday Island 14:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it does :). In particular it makes it clear to me that the terms infant baptism and believers baptism are not directly opposing ideologies, rather specific cases of the general practice of baptism, though with each other they are generally incompatible. The whole coverage of baptism still leaves a lot of structure to be desired. Some day I hope to have a go at sorting it out. BigBlueFish 10:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] alternate/alternative

Sorry if I'm being really dim, but what was wrong with my use of "alternate" in iTunes Music Store? AlistairMcMillan 21:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

For your answer see alternate --BigBlueFish 17:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay but dictionary.com disagrees.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: "3. Serving or used in place of another; substitute: an alternate plan."

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law: "2. being an alternative <alternate juror>"

I really have no idea what the correct usage is and our alternate page doesn't list any refs, so no way to check up the accuracy of that content. AlistairMcMillan 22:42, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re-creation

Meh, you got me. :-P android79 22:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wassup

I have expanded the article discussing the advertising campaign and the 2000 hit songs. I would be grateful if you could take a look. Capitalistroadster 17:04, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AID

If you have time, please take a look at my concerns about the Article Improvement Drive nomination of Cold War posted here. Thanks. 172 23:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You helped choose {{subst:IDRIVEtopic article}} as this week's WP:AID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive. This week {{subst:IDRIVEtopic article}} was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help.

[edit] Template:AcademyAwardBestPicture

Just thought you might be interested that Template:AcademyAwardBestPicture is being proposed for deletion. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 10:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: [sic]

Bigbluefish wrote:

Let me reiterate that with respect to Muse (band) on which you have reverted the spelling "apparantly" twice now, in the context of a block quoted press release that is clearly littered with mistakes. If you're using some sort of automated process, then you need to take more care. Every edit is your responsibility, and if the system can't allow you to allow for such situations then it can't be used. BigBlueFish 16:37, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I apologise for making this change again. However, this case is slightly different to the Nuwaubianism issue. I accept that I should notice if my edits have been reverted, however the decision to edit is a misjudgement on my part. I did notice that it was indented; however, while the tone of the paragraph is certainly rather nonsensical, as far as I can see it contains no other spelling mistakes, and also the misspelling was not marked with [sic]. (I have just marked it as such). I This influenced my decision. In future I shall be more cautious with indented or quoted material.

With regard to the question of an "automated process", I am using tools which automate the processes of searching for and retrieving articles, locating errors and recording corrections. However, I make all actual edits myself – there are no automated 'bot' edits being made from this account. The 'system' in this case ultimately comes down to my decision as to whether or not to press the "Save page" button; this decision is never made for me, so such situations are certainly accommodated for. It is my judgement that is at fault – where the situation is unclear, I have tended towards making the correction rather than leaving it uncorrected. This is something I will need to adjust for. Again, please accept my apologies for any inconvenience caused – Gurch 17:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I just reverted some vandalism on your userpage for you. Hope that makes up for the above -- Gurch 17:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response :). I had considered putting in [sic]s but the whole quote is actually littered with mistakes. I've put a little note at the end to that effect, rather than littering the quote with [sic]s everywhere. I hope that makes it a bit clearer. I hope I didn't sound too harsh in my original message... I suspected that was the kind of system you used (I use AWB every now and again too) and I don't blame you for the occasional hiccup. I only just saw your correction count, and for that kind of work it's worth it if there's a mistake every so often. Thanks for the revert as well. I'm intrigued now as to who the vandal was. It was made from a college where just a handful of people from my school have moved to... stranger still that they found me on Wikipedia. BigBlueFish 12:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AID

-Litefantastic 00:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mad nigger

I accept what you're saying about the mad nigger redirect. If someone wants to delete the redirect, I won't argue with it. However, there's at least one guy on the talk page who thinks it should stay. Remember, it's only a redirect. - Richardcavell 00:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Price of the cigarettes

Hello, I am a user I the German Wikipedia and I am writing a article about the price of the cigarettes in Europe. It would be nice if you can say me what is the price of a package Marlboro cigarettes in your country and how many cigarettes are in a package. Important is that it should be the official Price of the cigarettes and not the price of cigarettes from the street. Thank you very much. —This unsigned comment was added by 84.160.199.210 (talk • contribs) .

You should read Wikipedia:No original research. I don't think this an appropriate sort of investigation to be following. You might get away with writing a comparison on tobacco duty and taxes in a different country, but you would have to cite an official source for each figure. BigBlueFish 21:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Save the Game!

Help us track down verifiable sources to bring The Game back! Go to SaveTheGame.org! Bkkbrad 19:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Personally I'm persuaded on the issue. Quite frankly Wikipedia doesn't need to and shouldn't write about certain social phenomena. There is a tempation to think, "Wow, Wikipedia is so big. There is an article about almost everything I can name," but that shouldn't be the case. The Game (game) didn't help anyone who might want to learn information about The Game for research, since it is just a summary of what a certain group thinks of it. Its viral nature means that it can change from just one word of mouth to another. People who want an idea of what people on the internet capable of publishing on the internet perceive The Game to be can get one by searching for all the blogs and forums out there. It doesn't need to be collated into a piece of original research for Wikipedia. BigBlueFish 21:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] April Fool's Day?

It's not vandalism if it's humorous. I know wikipedia has a reputation to keep up, but at least we can be funny on april fool's day on Talk pages, can't we? Soren9580 08:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that was for april fool's? Maybe I didn't get it because you did the same thing yesterday. Not that funny really either. BigBlueFish 08:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

So you didn't like my POTUS FLOTUS joke either? What is permissible on April Fools Day? Is the joke that Wikipedia allows no Hoaxes at all? Soren9580 11:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

If you would read some of the discussion in the lead-up to April Fools', you'll see that no, hoaxes are not acceptable like this. The April Fools' jokes must not obstruct any genuine information, and not mislead people when they are looking for reliable information. Someone today may wish to know what FLOTUS stands for. See Wikipedia:Community Portal and the Main Page for examples of mischief that is acceptable. Most bigger jokes are kept in the safe bounds of the User namespace or BJAODN. BigBlueFish 11:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Medicine reward

Very good question. I will be sure to assign the payment as fairly as I can. First off, only people who have been working on it since the offer was made qualify for the reward. Also, people will be rewarded in proportion (or close enough) to their work. A person who has done the most work will get the most pay. I'm currently wondering if people making very minor edits will qualify for the award. —THIS IS MESSEDOCKER (TALK) 19:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for helping me

Hi, I really appreicate your advice. I still have the problem - let me clarify - the pages appear normally when I am reading them, with the exception of a few small things hereand there - the "your continued donations" for example. BUT when I open a page to edit, the entire article text appears in a very very small font with lots of serifs and things. Rolling the click wheel does increase it, but also increases everything else so that its around 72 points while the editing window text is still pretty small (though larger). It is also for sure in the same weird font. Any clue? Kaisershatner 19:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC) Oh, I'm using Mozilla an Firefox and cleared my cache. Kaisershatner 19:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds thoroughly bizarre. Also check your default font settings at Tools > Options > Content - the Wikipedia styles might be overriding these defaults in all but a handful of contexts. If it is this it ought to be followed up, since browser defaults of this type shouldn't really persist in the monobook skin. If not, I haven't a clue. A screenshot might ring some bells if you want to upload one. BigBlueFish 20:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, and thanks again. The problem seems to have resolved. I removed popups, rebooted my computer, and reinstalled Firefox. It didn't seem to help; also strangely was using IE as the browser I couldn't bring up the Main Page - really weird - then it just got better. Thanks for hanging with me though. See you around, Kaisershatner 21:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Strange things happen... --BigBlueFish 09:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Help

Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 01:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

[edit] GorillazFanAdam block

Sure, what's the IP? --InShaneee 23:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey there BigBluefish

I hope this is the right way to go about this; all this editing confuses me :S Right, recently I got a message about numerous changes to the Black Holes And Revelations page (though for some reason I only got it on the main Muse page but never mind) and I'm curious as to how those changes happened, which I noticed myself when comparing my versions to the one before, but assumed them just to be a bug, since the only thing I changed myself on that page was the linking brackets, and wanted to clear my name! If this is in the wrong place, feel free to move/remove/whatever it! Sorry to bother ye, hope Surrey is going well! (I might be taking music there :) )

~Toby

I've replied to you back on User talk:81.31.127.126 where I sent the original message. I find the best way to do things is to keep all discussions in one place where they were started, so just edit the page you see the message you want to reply to. BigBlueFish 16:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh, Well just to tidy the discussion up, I'll leave this part here! Thanks for all the welcoming and help! :) Mr8131127126 19:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prelude in C-sharp minor

Hello, I see that you have redirected Prelude in C-sharp minor (Rachmaninoff) to Prelude in C-sharp minor, and with the argument that there are no other preludes yet. I think this is a strange action, as there are obviously tens or maybe hundreds of preludes in Csharp minor. Wikipedia is still a bit deficient on classical works, so in the future there will certainly be an article about another prelude, so that the redirect will be a useless operation.

As mentioned in Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music the title should contain the composer. Maybe you can discuss this issue there?

cheers, Dr. Friendly 20:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

No, you're absolutely right, it's a sensible convention to have. It just resembled to me the wider convention of using brackets to distinguish between articles that would otherwise have the same name, and noted that there weren't any such articles. In moving it back I've secured a redirect to the Rach. article anyway. If it's synonymous enough (which the article suggests it might be) then at least people looking for it under that name will now find it. BigBlueFish 20:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please help on William Shakespeare

Posted by Pruneau^T 01:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the AID maintenance team.

[edit] Knights of Cydonia

Again, please do not re-insert the album cover, per WP:SONG and WP:IMAGE guidelines and especially Wikipedia:Image use policy's official guidelines.

Wikipedia's Image use policy states that Once there is enough text to support the image, any contributor is free to shift the image back into the article. Given the word count for the song is less than 500 words, there is no need to overcrowd the article with excess images. See featured articles for examples such as "She Loves You", or "Layla" for appropriate usage of additional photos in music-related articles. These articles are over 1500 words in length and the images provide appropriate breaks to the text and provide complimentary information.

Please adhere to official policy as outlined by Wikipedia. There are already two wiki-links to Black Holes and Revelations which is more than sufficient for users wishing to view the album cover. Thanks.

I have a very simple alternative solution without resorting to the re-inserting of the album cover on "Knights of Cydonia". Simply make a reference to the song on the actual Black Holes and Revelations page. The image is already there, and there's more than enough space to present any additional information about the album artwork. --Madchester 21:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muse (band)

Irrelevant rubbish to the define the album's theme and influence? Dude, I'm totally dumbfound of some of the kinds of people, who are proudly defining themselves as "Wikipedians" and proudly delete material without any kind of explanation, hesitation and worse without a substantial base to ground their facts on. Sometimes I am just fucking frustrated from that kind of people, really. Sort yourself and be... try to... just try to be more reasonable next time, right?

Regards Painbearer 21:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry the edit seemed so heavy-handed. I acted without hesitation because the anonymous comment on the talk page made a good point about the structure and leaning of the article, and I regard such comments as insightful outside views which are worth acting upon when normally I would let an article slide as it's hard work to gradually work on the integrity of an article's structure. The paragraph on influences, however, I have no qualms about removing. The article is about Muse, not about their fourth album, and while the article on that album discusses influences, I don't feel they are relevant there. For one, they are not cited, and claiming an influence without a source is a no-no. Secondly, there is already information about general influences on the band, and the information there didn't attempt to identify what influences were new about this album. For example, I don't think there is any more Rachmaninoff in this album, if not less, than in previous ones. On the other hand, Franz Ferdinand have been mentioned by the band as an influence on the difference in sound of the album, with reference to Supermassive Black Hole which states this; maybe the album article ought to pick up more on these, but I still feel that these are deeper aspects of the album sound, rather than significant elements of their history. Particularly, the presence of influences in one album give no indication that the influences are a permanent feature of the band's future sound.

Finally, I make no claim to being any more of a Wikipedian than are you, 201.215.167.137 and the rest of the editors on here. I've tried to underline this by focusing on editing articles, rather than joining Wikiprojects, binge voting or (heaven forbid) engaging in userbox abuse, and in general, the edits I make could be made by anybody else. Please don't feel unnecessarily alienated from anyone in the community. BigBlueFish 22:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but more or less we have something of a structure. If you read carefully, each album of the article has a brief info about the album's lyrical and musical themes and objects. It's kind of a following. I did it because it was a structure from their previos ones. I wanted to follow the structure. On the other hand yep, I agree that the influences should be implemented more carefully regarding what Bellamy says and what we the listeners listen to. It's kind of part of that structure. And I like it, I have to say. I think that we should have it. More or less, I do not agree with you. I think we should find a middle way to satisfy us and the readers. Do implement, but with carefulness, because structurally it's better I think.

Regards Painbearer 22:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The past album sections leave a good deal to be desired, but nevertheless, I agree, if there is relevant, verifiable information to add to the article on chronological influences then it is most welcome. BigBlueFish 12:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: SVG versions.

Hi BigBlueFish. Thanks for your comments on my work. At the present time I am not producing SVG format images because adobe are stopping their support for the format in 2008, and they make the most prominent plugin. I am also peitioning as I feel wikipedia should be natively viewable on all mainstream browsers. At present SVG is only natively viewable via Opera.

Provisionally it has also been stated by Microsoft that vistas version of IE may not support the SVG Format (though I doubt that, they often say these kind of things). You will also notice that much of my work is uploaded at large resolutions (2000 x 2000 pixels plus!). This means that for users who want to see larger versions the provisions are there. Also my diagrams are drawn at 300dpi. When printing them you will find a 2000 x 2000 pixel image still only fills an A4 page, but that the print quality is superbly detailed. More info about my views on the SVG format can be found at the very top of my user page although its mostly repeating this. I hope this better explains my position on the matter. I'm not boo-hooing the SVG format though I should point out. Its a great idea and I wish the native support for it was there, but it would be nice to resolve the current issues before I convert my work to SVG.

I'm requesting that while I research into this and hopefully come to a solution, that no-one update my images with SVG versions. I 100% appreciate that from a copyright perspective I have no right to ask that, as in uploading the images to wikipedia I accepted that they could be shamelessly edited by others and were no longer my property. But I am asking it politely as one wikipedian to other wikipedians, to save us all time in the long run. If SVG is determined to be a good and accpetable format I will update my future and past work accordingly.

In any case, thanks very much for your input and if you want more information about my SVG research, feel free to check my user page which i'll be updating as I go along. Thanks. WikipedianProlific^(Talk) 19:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

- Also just seen your a student in Surrey, Presumably at the university of surrey? I'm a student in Brighton but I'm from near guildford originally and can still be found around that neck of the woods every couple of weekends and hols. WikipedianProlific^(Talk) 20:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Google Web Accelerator

I wish individual admins would quit taking abitrary decisions on this issue and seek consensus on a policy for GWA. I have been editing for years now on GWA with the occasional random block. I don't see what's changed and I don't see what blocking GWA is in aid of. Vandals using GWA are identified by their true IP because POST requests aren't proxied so edits are never made by GWA users. Blocking the accelerator just blocks the web form. If this is a permanent policy then I would like to see it written and a proper resource explaining what's going on to the users who come up against the block. BigBlueFish 21:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

We do have a preexisting policy already. Anything freely accessible that masks an editor's true IP address is covered by Wikipedia:No open proxies. --  Netsnipe  ►  14:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)