Talk:Big Fish Games

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[edit] Dispute in History section

There is a dispute over the following text:

October 2006: Big Fish Games abruptly lays off 10% of its workforce, creating turmoil and a caustic backlash by its former employees (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/venture/archives/107586.asp).

The article's creator insists on removing it, but it's a relevant statement if you're going to have a History section; the item is sourced. I've tried rewriting it slighty to a NPOV. Now I'm not sure if Lucky Luc works for Big Fish Games or not, but I'd like to point out that Wikipedia is not for self-promotion or advertising. Marasmusine 07:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

The text should definitely be more neutral than its original incarnation. Lucky Luc needs to accept that negative information is valid and has a place on Wikipedia, regardless of his personal feelings. It's clear from his editing history that he has an interest in the company, and I have confirmation from someone inside Big Fish Games that there is a Luc in their marketing department (draw your own conclusions). Luc, while your efforts to improve Wikipedia by adding content are appreciated, you have to accept that the changes people make are for Wikipedia's benifit, not BFG's. Fusion 18:43, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a news article - put in the external links with the other news articles if you believe it simply MUST be on this page. This all started as an attempt from said former employees to slander the company. Personal feelings don't belong in a company history.

If the news article is slanderous, shouldn't the company take that up with the newspaper? If Big Fish Games has an official response, particularly one disputing the facts of the article, then that probably deserves a place on the page to balance the link in question. Fusion 22:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

The tone in which the information was being provided was slanderous, not the article. If you look on other corporate pages, especially Boeing, which is infamous for lay offs, you won't see a single mention of such events. WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a soapbox User:Lucky_Luc

That article has whole sections on unethical conduct and other disputes. If someone were to add a section on such layoffs (if they, as you say, were infamous, I don't know) which was properly cited there wouldn't be much fuss. On the subject of WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a soapbox it's interesting to see that your only contributions to Wikipedia have been to create and link to BFG-related articles. Marasmusine 08:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Though I see your point and I'm beginning to consider the item as trivial anyway, so I'll leave it. As mentioned above, it can go in external links. Marasmusine 11:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute over external links

There seems to be a dispute beginning over the number of external links going to Big Fish Games. Is there an official Wikipedia policy on this matter? Lucky Luc, please realize that this page is not your personal property. Other contributions may be valid even if you don't like them. Fusion 18:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:External links is the guideline here, but here are my thoughts: What is the point of linking to non-English sites from the English wikipedia, especially when information on those sites is repetition from the main company site. The remainder of the Big Fish links are directly accessible from that site also, so that's basically 5 uneeded links. Point 4 from WP:External links#Links normally to be avoided: Links that are added to promote a site, that primarily exist to sell products or services, with objectionable amounts of advertising, or that require payment to view the relevant content, colloquially known as external link spamming. Marasmusine 22:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I've removed a number of external links, inlcuding the blog link, as per WP:External links. Only one link to the official site is necessary. I've also restored the the link to the Seattle PI article which was removed by an anonymous user. Please remember WP:NPOV, thanks. Marasmusine 09:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)