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[edit] from Talk:Big Brother USA contestants

I added italicized comments about September 11 and Amy's double eviction. TheCustomOfLife 19:34, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I was about to add the names that had been revealed on the show, but a little web research got me a complete list that might be accurate: http://www.creditdiva.com/reality411/start.html Thirdreel 22:43, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I haven't followed up much on this season. Are the second season and third season notes okay? Mike H 22:46, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I think they're good. They give a simple explanation for the variations in timing and whatnot. I'm not sure if the 9-11 reference is completely necessary... but I suppose it was rather important to the show that they picked a very unfortunate week to plan the finish. (Man, I'm still surprised they continued the show after that. They scheduled the big finale for BB2, then happened upon the one week in which nobody really cared who won a reality show.) Thirdreel 01:18, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Don't forget, though, that 9-11 was very important to BB2's outcome because Monica, who was still a contestant at this time, had a cousin who was never found alive at the site. They broke the "no news to the houseguests" rule for her. Mike H 02:05, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

In retrospect, it might have been smarter for the producers to end the show after the 9-11 attacks because the outcome would be altered. But, the producers gave the option of halting to the contestants, which may not have been the most viable option considering a lot of events in that timeframe were either cancelled or rescheduled. Big Pauly 23:59, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I ask myself two questions whenever I make major revisions and additions to a Wikipedia article: "Who's going to be reading this?" and "What kind of information will they be looking for?" It helps me decide what kind of information to include. In this case, I think readers will be, for the most part, people who saw the show and already have opinions about it. They will come to the page if they've forgotten the name of a previous contestant, or if they have some reason to want a houseguest's full name. So I think some simple explanation is in order, but not too much on who voted how and why. Whether BB2 would have ended differently if not for 9-11 is definitely debatable.Thirdreel 21:32, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Oh, I don't think Monica was voted out because of her loss. I think it was because Will and Nicole were selfish and wanted moneymoneymoney. I think there should be a notice, though, somewhere (not necessarily in this article) that Amy was voted back in at BB3, and Lisa was the shocking swing vote. Mike H 21:34, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Why would this page be deleted?? The information on this page is not in the Big Brother main article. 69.156.175.65 02:08, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The information is now tabulated on the Big Brother (USA) article, so it may make more sense to remove this and use the other as it has a lot of other details about the US version of the show as well as listing the contestants. -- TonyW 23:48, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)

Update: a redirect has been set in place, rather than a delete. -- TonyW 15:57, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Good idea

Good idea to create a separate page for Big Brother USA. But why is the page on the BB USA contestants about to be deleted? Maybe we should move the list of contestants here...

[edit] Spoilers, live feeds

I'm not sure if this is Wikipedia policy on spoilers, but I'm going to request it anyway: Please don't post information that has not aired on the show. If you see something on the live feeds that you wish to discuss, you may discuss it on other webpages like Hamster Time [1] or Television Without Pity: [2].

I agree with the spoiler warning. A lot of people TiVo or record the shows and watch them at later times or dates. They may "stumble" upon this page or come here looking for information. And, if someone post the contest or eviction result within 5 minutes of the show airing, the show will be spoiled for them.

Also, I think any talk about alliances is biased POV, at least until the whole thing plays out. Keep this as an encyclopedia article to report the facts about the show. Thanks. Thirdreel 22:23, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Houseguests names

Is there a reason why their names are in italics in the description of each season?

Oh, I did that before I knew you could start profiles for them. It's the equivalent of putting quotes around the names, so to speak. If you object to them, by all means, remove them. Mike H 23:58, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

If I get any more people writing articles for BB3 contestants, I will provide screencaps for the articles. Mike H 23:58, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Moving

This article did not need to be moved. It was just fine where it was. Mike H 05:38, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

It makes no sense to have moved this article to CBS TV series. Someone from another country looking for information on the American Big Brother won't necessarily know that the show airs on a network called CBS. They'll look for the Big Brother article related to USA, and the old name made it clear which BB were talking about. I suggest we move it back. 70.48.92.135 12:36, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree. 132.205.47.180 15:50, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree too. The distinction is between the countries airing it, not the network. -- Netoholic 16:31, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't think that the TV series needed to be explicitly known. The links were from an article called Big Brother television program, so everyone would know it was a television show. Mike H 16:29, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

Search engines hit upon and display the title of pages, so a Google-r typing in "big brother tv" would see this article's title and see more easily what the link was pointing to ("Big Brother (USA TV series)" as opposed to "Big Brother (USA)"). The abbreviation "TV" is used far more often than "television" on the web, mostly because its easier to type. -- Netoholic 03:43, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I've removed VFD tags from the four contestant profiles I started, as they weren't even listed on the VFD page proper and as such was never resolved. I put merge tags on them instead. If someone could merge the information on Lisa Donahue, Danielle Reyes, Shannon Dragoo, and Hardy-Ames Hill to the article proper, that would be great. Mike H 02:27, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Having separate contestant articles has always been more appealing to me than cramming everything into one article. The main article, in my opinion, should only contain a general overview of the show. Other shows, such as Survivor, have articles on all the winners, as well as many of the "losers." The turnout of TonyW's VfD polls seems to indicate that not many people object to the articles either. There's nothing unencyclopedic about people who were on a popular television show. The more information the better, I say. 20 years from now, when all the fan sites are gone, someone might find some use for pages of information on Big Brother contestants. So, I vote to expand, instead of merge. Heck, link all of the candidate names in this article and create a page for each one of them. (Sorry, I don't really belong here; I've only seen Big Brother a few times.) ;) - MattTM 04:26, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

I don't know why someone wants the pages on the players to be deleted. The pages are ok and have their place on wikipedia. I think they should stay in their present form and we should add links to those pages in this article. Paul99 14:26, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The VfDs were never resolved. I added merge tags to all the articles, actually, when it became evident that it wasn't going anywhere. Mike H 06:35, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

I cannot see any reason why individual players pages should or need to be deleted. If all that data gets moved to the main BB page or to the season page it's just going to bloat the page.--66.149.92.242 21:20, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Merging is a mistake. Each contestant has their own separate story, which should clutter this article. Also, to let people know, a vote on re-directing Janelle Pierzina into here is being done now, as part of an ongoing effort to delete almost all contestants. Also, regardless of everybodies position on the subject, discussion of merge should occur here, not on each separate contestant's article (if it's a rehash of the same issue) --rob 11:56, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sovereign Two

I have suggested that Sovereign Two be merged into here. There's no point in separate articles for every alliance. I like articles for contestants, and maybe seasons. But not for these types of details. --rob 01:44, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Split?

Does anyone else think that it might be a good idea to split the seasons out into their own articles? They are all well fleshed out, and the page is long and unwieldy as is. Philthecow 00:06, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Whenever someone tries to create a new article about BB USA, someone else puts a VfD tag on it so for now I don't recommend that you do that.

I agree. It should be more like the UK version, with each season having a seperate page. It's just getting to long and hard to navigate. Also, the synopsises for each season could be longer and more detailed if there is a split.Geoking66 17:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Agree. Its the way I'd like the information presented. --Jmccorm 00:58, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

How about this?Geoking66 02:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Big Brother USA
Series 5 (2004) (with day of eviction)
Drew Daniel	Day 82 ($500,000 Winner)
Michael "Cowboy" Ellis	Day 82 ($50,000 Runner-up)
Diane Henry	Day 78
Jennifer Dedmon	Day 75
Karen O'Neil Ganci	Day 70
Marvin Latimer	Day 65
Adria Montgomery-Klein	Day 63 (twin)
Natalie Montgomery-Carrol	Day 56 (twin)
Will Wickle	Day 49
Jase Wirey	Day 42
Scott Long	Day 35
Holly King	Day 28
Lori Valenti	Day 21 ($10,000)
Mike Lubinski	Day 14

Egads, this article is way long. Please split it. If anyone complains on AfD, point them to the talk page where you can show consensus to split. howch e ng {chat} 22:12, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I concur. I would happily support a split. I'll look it over more closely, and see how practical it would be (I'm not sure if I'm able to do it myself). Before doing the split, I think we should all see what kind of trivia can be taken out of completely (not relocated, but eliminated). A a good starting point might be the section called tat's actually called "Trivia" (a good hint it's not important enough to keep). Rather than figure out which article each trivial point goes with, it might be easier to just ditch the ones we don't need. Hopefully, now that times past, we can recognize some of this stuff just doesn't matter. But, I'm also not interested in a revert war if people want to keep everything. --Rob 23:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I decided to just go ahead and do it. --Rob 03:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Janelle Pierzina re-vote

Just to let people know, the Janelle Pierzina article is up for a second vote for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janelle Pierzina 2. Most anti-keepers wish to do a merge, so the decision in that article, will effect this article; which is why I'm putting this here. --rob 11:37, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ashlea Evans being considered for deletion

Please visit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashlea Evans for a discussion of whether her bio article should be kept, deleted, or merged into this article. --Rob 17:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Donnellan (reality television contestant) being considered for deletion

Please visit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Donnellan (reality television contestant) for a discussion of whether his bio article should be kept, deleted, or merged into this article. --Rob 19:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Big Brother USA season 6 background considered for deletion

The template {{Big Brother USA season 6 background}} is being considered for deletion. To participate in the discussion go to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Big Brother USA season 6 background. This template is included in all of the bio articles for Big Brother USA season 6. --Rob 08:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overall Issues With This Article

I haven't watched this show, so when I became curious about it I came to Wikipedia first. Unfortunately, the article seems to have been written for someone who already has at least a passing familiarity with the show. If someone who knows the show could do somewhat of a rewrite for the ignorant among us (me, for example), I think it could be improved considerably. An description of how the show works, what the rules are, and so on should be the first thing, not buried near the bottom and explained poorly at that. Abbreviations such as "HoH" should be explained the first time they appear, not in subsequent sections.

Sorry if I sound cranky, but it's frustrating to find an article written for people who probably already know much of what's in it. I'd do the rewrite myself, but I don't know the subject matter well enough to attempt it, and am not interested enough to do the necessary research.

Septegram 11:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename

I suggest a rename of this article to "Big Brother (USA)" in order to follow the convention of the rest of the Big Brother articles. -- 9 cds^(talk) 08:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It had that name, and was changed to conform with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television)#Additional disambiguation:

Use the following when there are two or more television productions of the same name.

Prefix the country of broadcast - (US TV series)

(write US without periods as per WP:NCA, and "US" is prefered over "USA".

So, it's best if we leave it. --Rob 14:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, what about "Big Brother (US)"? We don't really need to say that it's a TV series. -- 9 cds^(talk) 14:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Why do we need to keep changing it for no reason? It's been renamed multiple times. If it was already called "Big Brother (US)", with everything linking to it, I would be happy to leave it, at that. But, other than creating double-redirects, it's not clear what changing it to that, will accomplish. Now that the name is exactly what the naming convention guidelines say it should be, it seems time to leave it. It's annoying to fix redirects (paritcularly double-redirects), and then have that undone by another rename. --Rob 16:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jokes about Big Brother

Are there any sites with jokes about the TV series?--Shtove 21:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big Brother shows

Does Big Brother USA have various shows with different content? If it does, how many different shows are there? --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 21:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I was actually going somewhere with this; I didn't ask for the sake of asking. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 22:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking with this, so I hope this helps. Big Brother USA airs three episodes a week. On Thursday's episode, (aired live) one houseguest is evicted, and the remaining houseguests compete in the HOH competition. On Sunday's episode, the HOH reveals who he/she has nominated for eviction. On Tuesday's episode, the contestants compete in the Veto competition, and if the Veto winner chooses to use it, the HOH nominates a different person for eviction. Thirdreel 00:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I was just wondering whether a section for the different shows could be put in this article, similar to Big Brother (Australia)#Shows, but I don't know if there would be any point. I guess it's not my decision to make anyway, as I haven't seen the shows and don't know how much variation there is between them. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 00:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I thought you meant spin-off shows. If so, yes. House Calls, the internet talk show, which corresponds with Big Brother, airs every weekday at 1p.m. EST/10a.m. PST.Geoking66 02:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Any chance it could be merged into this article, and have information on other shows included as well? Or is it better where it is? --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 02:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be merged. Not sure it meets notability standards by itself. --Bill.matthews 02:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I would have merged the House Calls article just now, but I don't know where to put it as there isn't a section for Shows. Could somebody else sort it out? _{J Di}^talk 18:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Will Kirby

I noticed something interesting: a lot of the supposed "strategy" discussion is actually a discussion of Will Kirby's strategy. Should this be labelled as such? Or perhaps the information regarding Will Kirby's strategy should be moved to the article on Will Kirby himself? What does everyone think?

[edit] Most housemate articles for deletion

Does anyone think that most of the individual housemate articles are useless and should be deleted? I do. They do not serve any purpose. For examples: Jennifer Dedmon, James Rhine, Erika Landin, Alison Irwin, Diane Henry, Danielle Reyes, etc. Most of the article's mass is about what Big Brother is. According to WP:BIGBRO, articles should only be made for housemates if they have done significant things outside of the house. These housemates and many more US housemates have not done anything much to deserve a separate article. Geoking66 03:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

If they really aren't necessary, set them as redirects to the relevant season article. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 11:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. They don't deserve their own articles --Bill.matthews 02:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The facts section

I've removed a heck of a lot of facts from the facts section because there seemed to be a fact for pretty much anything. I've left what I think are the important ones that I'd be interested in knowing, but if there's something that I've removed that actually is important to the US series of Big Brother, I apologise. I thought I'd let people know here, so that there is no argument and so I don't get chased down the street by angry mobs with flaming pitchforks and whatnot. --JD ^{don't talk} _{email me} 17:58, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This Coup d'Etat ting or whatever

People, you can't add things to the article without explaining them. What's the Coup d'Etat thing? What does it mean? Why is it worthy of inclusion twice? --_{talk to} JD ^{wants e-mail} 21:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Firsts" in timeline

I'm removing a number of the "firsts" listed, because they refer to things that only happened once. Thirdreel 22:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I've removed this "first" from the Season 7 list :

First houseguest to win the most HOH competitions and POV competitions: Janelle Pierzina. Janelle won 6 HOHs and 6 POVs in seasons 6 and 7.

This makes no sense. Technically, the first contestant to win the most was Mike Malin, from season two, who won the first HOH competition -- at that point he has won the most of anybody -- 1 to nothing. Somebody who leads a category doesn't get a "first" because they lead it. -- ArglebargleIV 00:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Public Vote

Was there any public vote at all from series 2 onwards, and if so, was it the public who decided who became the winner.--SimonPeter 23:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

From season two onwards, houseguests did all the voting, including who won. _{talk to} JD ^{wants e-mail} 23:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Should Power of Veto not be TLAd to PoV, rather than POV? _{J Di}^talk 03:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nominations table

I think the Nominations table should be removed as I don't see how it adds to the article. Information should already be on tables for each season anyway. jd || talk || 09:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References and influence

Quick question: do you think a section on cultural references in the show itself (such as the term Big Brother itself, or the fact one season the 'confessional room' was labled 101) and the influences it's had are warrented? As one of the first popular reality TV shows, it's been a tremendous influence on modern TV, along with the other 'first wave' RTV shows. Research might be an issue, but I'd be willing to try. Wintermut3 02:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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