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[edit] Big Brother VIP merge

I'm suggesting that Big Brother VIP be merged with this article because the Big Brother VIP article doesn't actually have that much information in it, and it only exists because this exists. Plus I think it's a bit confusing having them separate, and it would stop all the adding of Celebrity editions to the table in this article. JDtalk 18:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but only if the Big Brother Other Editions page is also merged with this article so that all editions are on the same page. Grahamuk 18:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll add it to the merge thingy on this article. JDtalk 18:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

What a response... Guess they're getting merged then. JDtalk 21:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Now that the pages have been merged, I think we should go a stage further and merge the 3 tables. So rather than having a table for main editions, a table for VIP and a table for Other editions there should be just 1 table that lists all editions. Also the facts sections should be merged into 1 as well. What do people think? Grahamuk 23:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it's ok right now. If we merge the tables it will be confusing to know what kind of BB someone won. Also, some facts don't fit when you put it together with the others. Pabs 14.38, 25-11-06 CET
I was thinking about merging the tables before I proposed the article merges, but then I thought that it might be better to keep the tables where they are now. Having separate trivia sections that I think should go anyway and then having one big table I think would be a bit odd. JDtalk 13:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First triplets competing

In Big Brother 3 Bulgaria are competing triplets! During their first week in the House they had a secret task - to change each other pretending to be one and the same person. It is similiar to the twins from BB Australia

Yeah it's a state of fact and it's also singled out in the trivia 2006-section. Shameless 11:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why is the Reality TV show the main article?

Why isnt the Big Brother article a reference to George Orwells famous book and the ongoing common useage of the phrase in common English? This article should have a link to the TV series, preferably from a disambig page. 203.57.241.95 23:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)Encise

The article Big Brother is a disambiguation page, which links to all of the things you mentioned. Big Brother (TV series) focusses on its use as a television show. Tra (Talk) 23:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why three tables?

Why are "Big Brother around the world", "Big Brother VIP / Celebrity Big Brother around the world" and "Big Brother other editions around the world" in three separate tables? That just looks weird. 206.47.141.21 18:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe because they're three separate things? JDtalk 18:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
If that were true, I wouldn't have asked the question. They are all the same yet we need three tables? Doesn't make sense. I think I will merge them later. 206.47.141.21 13:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you should read this discussion and added your opinion there before doing that. JDtalk 13:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree with 206.47.141.21 about merging them all into one table - then we wouldn't have the arguments about were to put US BB #7 or BB India. Shameless
The thing about BB USA and India is clear for the ones who want to understand it. One is ALL STARS and the other one is VIP. That's all. I think it's OK as it is right now. Pabs.
How would this be done though? I can't think of any easy way to show which series each season is a part of without making the table look really bad. It also doesn't make much sense to have sections for Big Brother VIP and other Big Brother editions near the bottom, and the information about the seasons nearer the top. JDtalk 15:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
well obviously the only one to understand that about BB India and US#7 are you since everyone who's browsing this site tries to add them since they think it might be missng. Just look to this polish website: http://www.reality-tv.pl/modules/content/index.php?id=6. He ranked all the seasons on their countries sections and it's still obvious to understand which had been regular, celebrity or special seasons. We could also indicate this with using different background colours for several kinds of seasons. Shameless 12:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't guide myself for what a polish site (sigh) says, but which is the format produced. And the format in India is VIP, and ALL STARS in the USA. C'est fini. And no, 'everyone' is not adding it. Is the same that we had here some weeks ago with Celeb Pinoy winner. But, hey, even if everyone would be adding it, if it's wrong, it's wrong. Pabs.
One of the main reasons for merging the 3 pages was to avoid the issue of having the wrong show on the wrong page. The current situation has not resolved that and I don't see the point in having merged the pages if the tables and facts are not also merged. It might as well go back to being on 3 separate pages. Grahamuk 12:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
If they're going to be merged, the whole article needs to be rearranged. The table would need to be moved further down, and something would have to be done about the facts sections. I've just thought of a way that the tables could be merged without making things overcomplicated. JDtalk 12:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
The table has some space problems in Canada, France, Philippines and Poland. I don't know how to change it. Do you? Pabs.
I can't see anything wrong with it, sorry. JDtalk 13:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I just checked it with IE7 instead of Firefox and it looks good. Config problems, my guess ;-) Pabs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pabs (talk • contribs) 15:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
I think it was really a good decision to do so. it seems to be way better now Shameless 18:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Local name

Why can't we use the real local name? Like in the Philippines, it's Pinoy Big Brother, Big Brother will almost always refer to the voice. Why don't we follow Idol series, Star Academy, where the real local name is used, like Singapore Idol, Nouvelle Star, Project Fame, etc. If we'll apply the conventions here to that of Idol series, it'll be full of "Idols". --Howard the Duck 12:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

the difference is that even most local shows just use the name "Big Brother" as in Australia, Croatia and many, many more. If you look to their Idol shows they are called Australian, Singapore or Malaysian Idol but you can also see that in their shows logo.
I think if a show is officially called "Pinoy Big Brother" I agree with you, however as I already wrote, most of the other BBs don't give their adaption a special local name. Shameless 15:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
So if that's the case, Pinoy Big Brother shouldn't be listed as "Big Brother" in the table but as "Pinoy Big Brother," along with other Big Brothers the name theirs differently. --Howard the Duck 08:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you. Shameless 12:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Aren't we going to make it too complicated? The name for the 4th edition in Germany should therefore be Big Brother The Battle, for the 5th edition in Belgium should be Big Brother Zero Privacy etc. I think this column should just give an indication of the basic name of the show in that country - so just Big Brother, Loft Story, Gran Hermano, Grande Fratello etc. Grahamuk 12:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
We'd use what is the collective name for all seasons. For example, for UK, it's plain and simple "Big Brother," Australia is also "Big Brother,"(?) the Philippines is "Pinoy Big Brother," and so on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Howard the Duck (talk • contribs) 09:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] 'Despite criticism from many intellectuals'

'..the show has been a commercial success.', according to the text of this article.

Hmmm. So how is this a rejoinder to 'intellectual criticism'? So, if it's a commercial success, then the end justifies the means? 'Commercial success' is all that matters?

That is just your personal appreciation. The text is not saying that. Pabs.

[edit] Including 'Least housemates to be evicted?'

since there are a few special seasons which didn't followed the original BB rules of nominations and evictions of course no eviction took place on them. however the bulgarian vip season had (due to the high number of voluntary exits) only two evictions with nominations before. I think that is a fact which should mentioned on the trivia section. Shameless 17:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I didn't realise this is what what I removed meant. I have no problem with its re-inclusion, but only if it is reworded so that it is clearer, to something like "Least number of evictions in a season". JDtalk 17:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big Brother Belgium VIPs 1

does anyone of you have a list of nominations and evictions from the first flamish BB VIP season since it's likely that we miss a few 'first' facts on the trivia section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shameless (talk • contribs) 17:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

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