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I have a tuxedo cat called 'Ozzy' after Ozzy Osbourne. He is the most handsome cat ever and also has a black tie shape on his white front, as if he is wearing a tuxedo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.189.23.148 (talk • contribs).

Contents 1 most black and white tuxedo cats are alike 2 Tuxedos are unique 3 Merging Appropriate 4 pet peeve 5 Bicolour cat chart 6 Revert of the bicolor cat image on top of the article 7 Name of page may be becoming a misnomer 8 Image overload!

[edit] most black and white tuxedo cats are alike

many pictures on the internet shows black and white cats that look almost alike...I wonder if tuxedo cat genes are that strong...and i'm not talking just my country...tuxedo cats copies are arround all the world! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.106.185.250 (talk • contribs).

No, the problem is that all humans have genes that make them ignore the obvious differences between tuxedo cats. <g>. - Nunh-huh 06:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I've noticed similarities in black and white cats-- for instance, the blaze up the face or the propensity for spots on the hindquarters-- but each one also looks unique. Mine had a little black spot on his nose *grins* was just a bicolor, not a tuxedo. Kuronue 19:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

That comes from the piebald pattern that is common to all domestic cats. White spots on a cat always appear in specific places, and their size is also related to one another. This tends to give a consistent pattern of color-and-white (not just black, the same goes or all cat colours). That's why they look so similar.--Ramdrake 01:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tuxedos are unique

From their appetite for plastic to their fetish for soap, it's not only their appearance that proves they are a breed apart. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.246.6.220 (talk • contribs).

Having had two of them, I agree that tuxedo cats are unique and deserve their own entry (although I can verify that an appetite for plastic is not the unique element. WBcoleman 22:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging Appropriate

The two should be merged. The charts on the bicolor cat article make it quite clear that the tuxedo patterning is just that -- a patterning.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elizabethjaneforrest (talk • contribs).

yes absolutely they should be merged. From a genetic standpoint, this is just a different degree of expression of the same gene. pschemp | talk 20:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and done the merge. pschemp | talk 20:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pet peeve

Over three different talk pages people act like "Tuxedo" is a breed. It's not! It's a color! You can have a Tuxedo Domestic Shorthair, the most common, but I bet you could also have a Tuxedo Manx or a Tuxedo Ragdoll or any one of a million other breeds. And each breed has it's own personality type. Tuxedo cats in general do not share any specific personality traits, like "shy" or "friendly"-- it depends on the breed and to a large degree on the individual animal. sheesh. Kuronue 19:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It is not listed as a breed, it is listed as a type. Of course it isn't a breed, but that doesn't stop people from comparing alike things.pschemp | talk 23:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's not even really a color: it's a pattern. (Black, red, white, blue, cream, chocolate, lilac, apricot, etc. are cat colors). Just my tuppence.--Ramdrake 01:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bicolour cat chart

I'm still trying to figure out where I first saw the image, but the cat bicolour chart has been lifted from another site and is thus most probably a copyvio. I'm just trying to remember where I saw the chart first.--Ramdrake 01:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert of the bicolor cat image on top of the article

Would the anon who keeps inserting a copyvio image of a bicolor cat and removing the current image please come here to discuss the change rather than unilaterally reverting to their favorite image? Thanks! --Ramdrake 19:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name of page may be becoming a misnomer

It just struck me that as information is added to this page, the various pattern names cropping up (especially van, mask-and-mantle and cap-and-saddle), along with the illustration, are not varieties of bicolor cat but really varieties of the piebald pattern in cat coloring: all these patterns also exist in tortoiseshell/calico cats (hence tricolor). Thus, I would suggest we change the name of this page to something like piebald pattern (cat) or somesuch; alternately, it may be appropriate to split the article into "piebald pattern" and "bicolor cat".--Ramdrake 14:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image overload!

Wikipedia is not a collection of photographs or media files, might I humbly suggest migrating all the cat photos to Commons and create a gallery page there instead. Then slash the image use here down to what is needed to actualy ilustrate the different fur patterns and such, and then direct people to commons to look at the rest of the "look how cute my cat is" pictures like so: --Sherool (talk) 19:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Its good so that we can see just how many varieties of patterns there are. Theres a lot of possible patterns and we shouldnt restrict any variation. I can see how if the same cat is listed twice in the gallery we should remove one of the pictures (because it has the same pattern) but different cats have different patterns.

Sorry to butt in, but I'd like to point out that these patterns aren't bicolor patterns, but rather piebald patterns. They apply just the same to bicolor and tricolor cats (including tabbies of all stripes!).--Ramdrake 20:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. 24 images of Tuxedo cats are insane. I'm removing all but one of each kind-- you can revert me but please, if you do, no more than 2-3 per pattern! Kuronue 16:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Ramdrake-- While I agree with the principle of your revert, kindly don't make my headache worse by advising people to add images ~_^ There are plenty as is and I'd rather see the number stay small by people replacing images than the number escalate yet again. Thanks. (I won't mess with your revert though, it doesn't matter to me WHICH images are there). Kuronue 00:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but what would be an acceptable alternative to give to people who misguidedly remove a picture from the gallery to insert their favorite picture in its stead? We know that's decidedly wrong, but what can we tell them is the right thing to do? I certainly don't mean to add to your headache, and if I did, I profusely apologize for it. I reverted on the basis that this is not a posting board where one simply removes a picture to make space for one's own, so pray tell me, what do you feel is the right guideline? And could we insert it in the header of the gallery?--Ramdrake 15:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we need more images of bicolor cats that arn't black and white; then we could have less black and white cats. Other than that I think we shuld leave the pics as is UNLESS someone has a picture that clearly shows the pattern better than one we have up, which will be a rare event. I agre it's not a posting board, but I've no idea what to tell you. Maybe "See Talk Page for details on picture policy"? I just had this idea that whoever did that will come back and say, "ok, I'll add it, and while I'm at it, here's 15 more! Because my cat is so cute!" (no offense to anyone) Kuronue 15:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I follow you. Any thoughts on the fact that the same (insert color(s) here) and white pattern also applies to tricolor and tabby cats (and more rarely even to colorpoint cats), and is in fact better called a piebald pattern when considered across all cat coloring schemes? That one's been bugging me for some time. Feedback is appreciated.--Ramdrake 15:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I see above you've been bothered by this, but I don't have an answer for you. I own a black and white cat, that's about the extent of my knowledge in the area (well, ok, I've read half a dozen cat books when I got the cat because I obesess about information). I think if we merged bicolor cat and tricolor cat into pibald cat and added redirects, the resulting article would be unweildy. Perhaps a section in piebald reading "main article: Bicolor cat" and a clarification at the top defining bicolor as a subset of the piebald pattern? That seems to be the wiki norm... Kuronue 15:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see; Piebald is currently an article about horses. So create an article for piebald cat?

Another pic went up-- are either of those cats technically tuxedo? and it's kinda small. But I don't want to remove only the one pic... Kuronue 21:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, both are bicolor (black-white), but neither is a tuxedo: one is a mid-grade bicolor the other is a mid-to-high-grade harlequin.--Ramdrake 22:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Caption changed Kuronue 15:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)